So while i was spamming my WS for my fusetto i was toying around with evis/de a lot and realized Evis isnt doing as poorly as i expected (eyeballed i know, dont shoot me!). So i was thinkin about it and realized something thats rather obvious but i didnt think about before.
Higher damage daggers close the gap between evis/DE.
The str DE has over Evis is the 40% chr mod and a piddly bonus to the 1st hit FTP. As a level 80 our stats have only increased marginally, and the dex obviously helps both the same in net damage (but evis more as a % boost also closing the gap a TINY bit). This leaves some 2 chr boost for DE compared to D38+ daggers we are all using now. Its rather common sense once i thought about it. With low damage weapons, stat mods make up a larger part of your WS damage. This favored DE with high mods and hurt evis by comparison. Now we are rapidly boosting up our weapon base D without much if any boost to our mods so the base damage ratio of our WS is skyrocketing.
The gap is closing between DE and Evis as we get better weapons but our stats creep along. Unless we start getting some crayzee dex+chr combo gear, DE wont be gaining as much as evis considering our weapon damage will rise faster than our stats.
For example, using my current lv 80 stats/gear:
With old trusty blau D33:
DE has a 24% damage bonus. THis is why you needed a LOT of crit damage for Evis to keep up.
Using A D39 kartika for example:
Now DE only has a 22% boost.
For some more example #s, in the 1st example at 1.0 pdif, you need a 24% crit rate for Evi to match DE, higher if Pdif is high, lower if Pdif is lower. In the second you only need a 22% crit rate at 1.0 to match. In the future we may be pummeling things at level 99 with D50+ daggers or something. If were using D50 daggers with more dex gear available but minimal boost to chr gear Evis may only need ~17ish crit rate to keep up which will basically mean Evis>DE.
This is excluding our current crit damage trait, future boosts to that trait, new and future +crit damage gear, potential future crit RATE gear etc. When you start adding up the higher base damage and new crit damage/rate traits/gear I have no doubt Evis will overtake DE in the future for general use (it may have already, i havent run any serious #s on it).
I dont know why i didnt consider this before. I am always thinking about base damage vs wsc relationship, but its centered around drg and multi hit lances (love halberd and now Magian OAT). Frequency vs damage and how wsc can make a lower damage multi hit weapon stay competative if it has high wsc (like drakes/wheeling spam on drg) but not so much on lower wsc WS (the same OAT setups dont work as well using penta). But i just never put 2+2 together and applied this logic to thf with Evis/DE and new higher damage weapons. /shrug.
Anyway, ramblings aside, the higher our weapon damage goes, the more dex we get (looking at you thunder trials!), the more str we get, or any other direct bonus to WS base damage that applies to both DE+Evis will close the gap between them. Then crit damage/rate gear/traits will obviously push Evis mcuh higher. The ONLY way to widen that gap is to add lots of chr on DE. As that is highly unlikely, its only a matter of time until Evis edges out DE if it hasnt happened already.
Edited, Jul 21st 2010 11:21am by Banalaty