Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

ASA Pants re-doFollow

#1 Jul 12 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
***
2,270 posts
So I currrently have ASA pants as 7acc/3Haste for Drg+Pld. However, with the intro of perle legs as a better acc piece for evasive targets, and homam still an excellent choice for 3% haste, ASA are kinda stuck in the middle making them very situational (Need more acc than homam, but less than perle=situational middleground).

So long story short, I am thinking about re-doing ASA. But for what job? And what augs?

So to lay out my legs for thf:
Homam(Utsu)
Skadi (TP/Ranged)
Heca+1 (SA/WS)
War Brais+1 (TA/lolEva)
(And i have Skadi boots for movement, so dont need the 8% movement option)

Now I also "plan" to get Ocelot pants at some point down the road (Acc6, haste4%, eva 10). So ASA as an eva or eva/haste(utsu) piece are pretty moot. I dont want to redo them again when i get that piece basically.

So what can I do with them in the thf arena? The best I could think of really was Crit damage+3%, atk+7, (dex/agi+2) for a new solo TA piece replacing my war brais+1.

Is there anything else worth turning them into?
____________________________________________________
Following is more for my own calcs:
Currently using D39+(121Agi*1.15)=39+139=178 damage.
ASA would put me at D39+(118*1.15)=39+135=174*1.03%.

But with crit damage trait of 5%, looking at:
War Brais+1: 178*1.05=186.9
ASA Atk/Crit: 174*1.08=187.9

That turns out to a measly 0.5-0.6% increase......eeeew not nearly as outstanding as i would have imagined. There is still the 7atk to consider which ballpark i guess wold be another ~1% increase as it is a crit attack. But I guess bewteen the 15% bonus to agi, and the minor decreasing return from our new crit JA, its not as big of a boost as I had thought it would be.

/shrug. I would like to think there is SOMETHING better i can make with these besides ~1% boost to solo TA. Thats REALLY tiny in the grand scheme since its only for a single action ><

Maybe I will just make them into haste/DA pants for drg when acc is capped :S

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 10:35am by Banalaty
____________________________
Aanalaty, Mithra of San d'Oria
99Thf/99Drg/99Rng/95Pld/Secret Job 92
Bonecraft-100+3 7/29/08
Lu Shangs-5/28/08
Twashtar-90
Ryunohige-75: 1/7/2012
Mandau-75: 3/9/2012

Maat-1/1 Thf Meleed (pansies steal)
Some of mah gearz: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Lakshmi/Aanalaty#item-sets
Join 'People Against The Heart Snatcher' and help put Thfs on the right P.A.T.H.S. today!
#2 Jul 12 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
485 posts
This is why I made my ASA pants for brd with Movement Speed+8%. But you don't have brd or any other mage job for that matter.

In your case for thf you could make it for /cor with "Magic Attack Bonus"+4 and Magic Accuracy+4 on it. But that is so much trouble for such a situational item. That and there is also Denali Kecks with "Magic Atk. Bonus" +3
Magic Accuracy +3. So I would just put those ASA pants in my mog house and maybe redo them in the future when you level a mage job.
#3 Jul 12 2010 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
****
7,094 posts
Barrage+1/RACC+7
____________________________
Terraxia - RNG/COR/THF - Midgardsormr/Quetzalcoatl (boxed)
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
#4 Jul 12 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
***
1,060 posts
WIND WS BUILD PANTS GOGOGOGOGOGO....? Iunno. I'm have this same problem because of Aurore Brais. 9 acc 9 racc and 3 haste.

I'm leaning towards movement speed pants for my mages.
____________________________
Nebo
THF99/BRD99
#5 Jul 12 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
Sage
***
1,252 posts
redvenomweb wrote:
Barrage+1/RACC+7


With OPs given jobs and current leg gear, I would go with this.
____________________________
DNC: 90 THF: 90 RNG: Semi retired @90 RDM: Retired@75

lolblog: http://mithrasmemoirs.blogspot.com/
Elemental Magian Dagger Guide
Gearsets/etc
#6 Jul 12 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
**
707 posts
Evasion +7 R.Acc. +7 perfect solo piece
____________________________
Life is adventure...or nothing.
Entreri
Server: Seraph
COP 08/20/06 <3
75THF /75BRD - Rank:10 Windurst
~X's Knife 2/2~
#7 Jul 12 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
****
4,719 posts
I'd use it for DNC so I'd go with movement speed and reduced CW costs easily. For your jobs I'd augment the pair for RNG with ranged accuracy and barrage.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 5:19pm by Jevilwolf
____________________________
Reiterpallasch wrote:
Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
Calmus wrote:
...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
#8 Jul 12 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
2,232 posts
That depends on how often you want to re-do your ASA pants. At this point I'd probably wait until at least the first round of 99 gear comes out before deciding unless you really have nothing else you'd like to do (the opposite for me, tons of stuff to do and not nearly enough time to do it in).
#9 Jul 12 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,983 posts
I've got this problem as well. Well I suppose a lot of people do.
There's also the issue of tumbler trunks. So that replaces ASA for SA. I suppose I wasn't so sure if they would beat ASA for TA. Tumblers are better than War Brais +1 for TA, even with AF+1. It's got to be really close, and I wouldn't be surprised if Tumblers beat ASA for TA as well. Either way, they'd be so close that since I am going to buy tumblers, it's kind of silly to have my ASA pants just for TA even if they were like ~0.1% better. Actually, I'd probably be worse off because I'd have less inventory space to work with.

3%Haste 7evasion, or 7eva -4phys look great. But of course, these can be replaced by other pieces as well (like ocelot). I pretty much pour everything into my thief, so I might actually get the 4m.acc or 4m.atk for thf/cor (that I might never use) over a piece for my brd or rng. If I ever do ASA again.
____________________________
Shamaya, Asura
#10 Jul 13 2010 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
47 posts
Critical Hit DMG +2%
Accuracy+7
#11 Jul 13 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
***
2,270 posts
I am assuming those comparisons are still based on your speed/damage model for SA/TA you did some time back, otherwise heca would beat tumblers every time (or you dont have heca sub which i assumed you would by this point).

While were on TA legs, I am still waiting for a nice piece of TA legs. SE has left this one specific use pretty weak for many moons now. Id really like a serious piece for leg TA. Stick 5agi on tumbler and call it a day :P 5agi just seems bleh when we consider our gear selection for other slots or even other actions(SA/WS etc). We have access to 6agi boots now off leaping larry, but still stuck with 5agi legs? Bleh.

I think ill just leave my 7acc/3haste on my blitzers for drg/pld and just be overkill acc with 3% haste until we get another update or 2. Drg is in a wierd place because it has obscene acc available at lv 80 My TP set with 21% haste has ~419 acc(functionally 439 with level correction to 80). My 'acc set' with 17% haste has 468 acc now. With GEAR ONLY (Funcctionally 488 with level correction). Thats 488 acc eating MEAT..CRAYZEEE! (and i have a 3rd set in between) Oh and dont forget hasso+10.....My drg in acc gear is fighting stuff as if i were a 75 with 498 acc.......on meat....jesus. My head still esplodes when i think about it. Obscene. If i REALLY wanted to, I could put on Virtuoso belt insted of Vbelt for a (functional) 510 acc eating meat. Its just wrong.

Anyway, more on topic, you can see why im considering redoing ASA. Possibly as 3% haste, 2% DA augs for drg. Heaven knows i dont need the acc right now. (Hopefully by 99 mobs will be a little tougher)

But most of the mobs/events are still designed for 75. I imagine there will be a slew of things added designed to challenge lv 99s, but until then i suspect the next few updates will be "transitional" with a little new content added as we level to hold us over, Saving the new, more expansive 'endgame' to really get kicked off at lv 99. I probably will be enjoying acc overkill until then.

Im guessing it will just be relegated to movement8%, -4% phy damage and just use them as ghetto Wlegs on pld and travel gear for drg :S But ill hold off till we see whats in the pipes.

Homam/Skadi/Heca+1/War+1 Should tide me over till ocelot rears its head. Not much to do with ASA for now.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 11:06am by Banalaty
____________________________
Aanalaty, Mithra of San d'Oria
99Thf/99Drg/99Rng/95Pld/Secret Job 92
Bonecraft-100+3 7/29/08
Lu Shangs-5/28/08
Twashtar-90
Ryunohige-75: 1/7/2012
Mandau-75: 3/9/2012

Maat-1/1 Thf Meleed (pansies steal)
Some of mah gearz: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Lakshmi/Aanalaty#item-sets
Join 'People Against The Heart Snatcher' and help put Thfs on the right P.A.T.H.S. today!
#12 Jul 14 2010 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,983 posts
Yeah, the haste/slow issue only applies when you land a successive hit. But if you do and you have, say, double march on, the result is actually negative damage on TA. For SA it's not terrible. I've got Heca+1 but I'm using ASA. Tumblers look pretty good though.
____________________________
Shamaya, Asura
#13 Jul 14 2010 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
***
1,713 posts
Tumblers do look great, and so easy to get. Tigers are a bit of a pushover with good -na support, and the NM just smapms roar and uses aoe amnesia. Plus the trousers have quite the job selection i think, unlike heca.
____________________________
-LordTrey
99 THF, COR, DRK, BLM, WHM, DNC
Twashtar (90)
Leviathan
#14 Jul 14 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
***
2,270 posts
I have always just gone with a max damage build, though I havent really thought about using heca for TA (22 atk) over war brais+1. Probably still wont because I do recognize the speed factor matters, so I wont be using heca+1 over war brais for 3 more damage but a LOOOOT of slow.

I have actually found myself stacking more SAWS lately and even returning to use SASB more often. My WS are all starting to be in the same ballpark (DE/EV/SB/Mstab) as further reason I am not really bothering to have two different SA builds (Max damage/Speed+damage) as I am often stacking now. I havent put any numbers to it yet, but I think that crit damage trait is doing more than we realize.

In my head it seems to basically balance all our WS out a bit more. DE was our strongest, gets the least boost as it only gets a small boost for SADE, none for solo. Evis obviously gets a decent boost from crit damage all around. SB should see the most improvement since it has the highest base damage crit we can do. MS will also see a nice boost as a 1hit wonder and increased atk, increased crit damage put together is quite nice. Basically, our WS in overall powa (avg Ev, not full crit) previously was DE>Ev>SB>MS as far as damage overall (on avg-ish mobs). But the crit boost should help SB/MS the most>Evis>DE. So we are giving significant boosts to our weaker WS, and less to our stronger.

On merit style mobs, all 4 WS seem to be much closer together than they previously did (Eyeballed i know ><). I need to put some new numbers to these with our new crit trait. If it is working the way I believe it is, Im lovin thf even more. I have always loved our WS versatility (I say we have a more versatile WS set than even sam). If our WS are indeed becoming more equal, we can use that versatility for SC purposes even more readily without sacrifices in damage.
____________________________
Aanalaty, Mithra of San d'Oria
99Thf/99Drg/99Rng/95Pld/Secret Job 92
Bonecraft-100+3 7/29/08
Lu Shangs-5/28/08
Twashtar-90
Ryunohige-75: 1/7/2012
Mandau-75: 3/9/2012

Maat-1/1 Thf Meleed (pansies steal)
Some of mah gearz: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Lakshmi/Aanalaty#item-sets
Join 'People Against The Heart Snatcher' and help put Thfs on the right P.A.T.H.S. today!
#15 Jul 14 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
485 posts
You making it sound as if SE actually has an idea how there own game works. It is a scary thought I know.
#16 Jul 14 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
***
2,270 posts
I think of it more as a "Happy accident". Just the random garble SE does occasionally does something cool. Like seeing a cool cloud design in the sky, or oversleeping when you have an exam only to find out class was cancelled due to a freak snow storm. Occasionally random stuff just works out completely by accident :P
____________________________
Aanalaty, Mithra of San d'Oria
99Thf/99Drg/99Rng/95Pld/Secret Job 92
Bonecraft-100+3 7/29/08
Lu Shangs-5/28/08
Twashtar-90
Ryunohige-75: 1/7/2012
Mandau-75: 3/9/2012

Maat-1/1 Thf Meleed (pansies steal)
Some of mah gearz: http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Lakshmi/Aanalaty#item-sets
Join 'People Against The Heart Snatcher' and help put Thfs on the right P.A.T.H.S. today!
#17 Jul 15 2010 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,983 posts
Just regarding ASA vs Tumblers for SA/TA, just based on guess-estimation, I'd say Tumblers are a decent bit above ASA for SA, but ASA are significantly above Tumblers for TA.
____________________________
Shamaya, Asura
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 23 All times are in CDT
Anonymous Guests (23)