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#52 Jul 07 2010 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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May I remind you guys again that Relics/Mythics do not work in the offhand. I don't think you guys have forgotten but just in case you haven't >.>
Also just because they changed the dark earring doesn't mean you could have both in your inventory at once, could you? It might have been that people /couldn't/ have them both at once (I really dk which is true)
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#53 Jul 07 2010 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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It might have been that people /couldn't/ have them both at once (I really dk which is true)


The level 35 dark earring was rare but the level 76 dark earring was not. I might not have explained that part clearly but my thinking was that the RARE tag on the level 35 Dark Earring prevented you from holding the level 76 Dark Earring at all if you had the lvl 35 one. If this was the case (I still think it is) then they had to change that because it prevented you from owning two separate items which IS a flaw that would need to be addressed. The Aqua Earrings were never changed so that's why I specifically brought up the dark earrings. However the OaT and Oa 2-3 Panzor is the best way to settle the debate and sooner or later somebody will try to dual wield them (it's already been suggested). That's the most reliable solution because everything else is speculation on both sides of this discussion. There have been valid points made by both Noodles and Lobi as well as Myself (and the argument that relics don't work in the offhand is actually one that strengthens my side of the argument). My woman's intuition tells me NO to dual wielding but I can't deny Lobi and Noodles have made some strong arguments as well. Since none of us can back up our stance with solid proof I'm going to let the issue drop and just keep the concept in the back of my head for now.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 8:02am by Melphina
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#54 Jul 07 2010 at 7:18 AM Rating: Default
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Omg, I spent 20mins reading what you guys been talking about Mandau75 and Mandau80....
man, accept the fact that you will never spent twice the time to get 2 Mandau and upgrade one to 80.
And no one will... Anyone with Mandau is having multiple 75. Why on earth when you can get another weapon for another but Thf's twice!?

Mandau75 and 80 can be together at one person. Accept it or not!
Gzz...Read the name and sign, they are freaking same dagger and they are rare/ex!
If not, go get two /Parazoniumcans screenshot to prove your talks about diff dat file can be done percone toon.
#55 Jul 07 2010 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Mistress Melphina wrote:
However the OaT and Oa 2-3 Panzor is the best way to settle the debate and sooner or later somebody will try to dual wield them (it's already been suggested). That's the most reliable solution because everything else is speculation on both sides of this discussion.
Actually, that's a slightly different situation, the Panzor base item is the same for both OAT and 2-3x(as well as the DA one), with augments rather than being separate dats, as noodles was pointing out. It would have to be an item with same name at two different levels which... as far as I know, is only relics and mythics at the moment.
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#56 Jul 07 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, Chi, here in 日本 we would call your concern 関係無い。I would probably fund 4 relics on thief before I'd do one for another job. I'm a specialist, not a jack-of-all-trades ;/.
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#57 Jul 07 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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We need this guy to try finishing off Batardeau to a Mandau after getting his first Mandau to lv 80.

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Dammit.
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#58 Jul 07 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I must admit, the concept of Dual Wielding Mandau's is intriguing to me.

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It would have to be an item with same name at two different levels which... as far as I know, is only relics and mythics at the moment.

We need this guy to try finishing off Batardeau to a Mandau after getting his first Mandau to lv 80.


I hope he does go for it. He really has nothing to lose after all. If he is unable to get a second Mandau then trading a 10k byne bill will result in a failed transaction, and a 10k byne bill can always be resold. However if he IS able to get a second Mandau then he'll have one freakin spectacular dual wield.

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May I remind you guys again that Relics/Mythics do not work in the offhand. I don't think you guys have forgotten but just in case you haven't >.>


That reminds me of something I never asked but had wanted to for a while. I know Mandau in the offhand won't grant mercy stroke, give triple damage procs or poison, or otherwise be anything more than damage/delay. But Mandau still has 20 attack and I'm pretty sure that's one of the "base" characteristics. It's probably common sense, but Mandau DOES still give you 20 attack if you wield it in the offhand right? I never bothered asking because up until now there would be no reason to even consider offhanding Mandau so it would be a moot point but it's a curiosity I've had for ages.

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And no one will... Anyone with Mandau is having multiple 75. Why on earth when you can get another weapon for another but Thf's twice!?


I'd spend my days farming for a second Mandau to dual wield if it was possible. Damage 43, Delay 176 attack + 25 main hand with damage 41, delay 176, attack + 20 offhand (via the first two trials)... hell YA I'd do that!! Mandau is still the best offhand dagger we could use under any circumstances. It's just that it's also the best main hand we could get up until now, so even with vajra there would be little reason to move it to the offhand.

Like Shamaya I prefer to channel a majority of my energies towards bettering my thief. I have a tarutaru character I spend time on to play around with mage jobs but it's just something I do as a change of pace and I'll never gear it to really high end standards. My main and strongest character will forever be Melphina's thief and dual wielding Mandau's is something I'd work towards. And it's not something beyond my capabilities with another few years. I don't have Mandau yet but that's because I invested in my skadi's set and HQ heca set (amongst other expensive items) first. I have no regrets because I really wanted them, but the next upgrade I'll be perusing is my Relic and I'm on track to finish it late this year/early next year. With my other really expensive items out of the way I could probably finish a second Mandau a few years down the road after that. I'd SO strive to do that if it was possible. I actually enjoy farming as well as crafting and have been farming for entertainment more and more as of late. That can add up fast (consider that an average of 100k profit a day is 36.5 million gil per year as a basic economic example) so I'd love to know if Dual Wielding Mandau's is possible. It's an intriguing concept for sure.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:39pm by Melphina
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#59 Jul 07 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Mistress Melphina wrote:


I'd spend my days farming for a second Mandau to dual wield if it was possible. Damage 43, Delay 176 attack + 25 main hand with damage 41, delay 176, attack + 20 offhand (via the first two trials)... hell YA I'd do that!! Mandau is still the best offhand dagger we could use under any circumstances. It's just that it's also the best main hand we could get up until now, so even with vajra there would be little reason to move it to the offhand.


It doesn't become a lvl 80 weapon until the fourth trial so it's DMG42 Delay 176 for the offhand Mandau. And if they do another level upgrade for Mandau you could have (for example) lvl 85 and lvl 80 Mandaus.

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That reminds me of something I never asked but had wanted to for a while. I know Mandau in the offhand won't grant mercy stroke, give triple damage procs or poison, or otherwise be anything more than damage/delay. But Mandau still has 20 attack and I'm pretty sure that's one of the "base" characteristics. It's probably common sense, but Mandau DOES still give you 20 attack if you wield it in the offhand right?


I always assumed that it didn't but I will check when the update finishes.


Here's a question though. Would you still want to DW Mandaus if you could put stats like ACC or DW on Twashtar? Because in my mind 5% DW or +15 ACC would be way better than +20 Attack offhand.


EDIT: You know what I'd really love to see on Twashtar and Mandau?

Treasure Hunter +1

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Edited, Jul 7th 2010 9:02pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#60 Jul 07 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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+attack on mandau only works when it's in main hand.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#61 Jul 07 2010 at 10:36 PM Rating: Good
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The OAT and OA2-3T weapons are the same weapon with different augments. And thus the same dat with different augments. That's where the two mandaus differ they are two different items with different base stats (befor augments) and thus theoretically could be DWed.


That's a valid point and probably the easiest way to settle the discussion. The three different Parazonium's are all tagged as rare but augmented differently.
No... you've missed the point...

They are the SAME ITEM. The SAME DAT. With DIFFERENT AUGMENTS.

They are the SAME ITEM.

The two mandaus are TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS.
One is Lv75, one is Lv80.

Edited, Jul 8th 2010 4:46am by Noodles
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