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Crap we need to give a new JA to THF. um, Steal II I suppose.

lolled

Can we replace Steal on our macro bars with this? Does Aura Steal work with Despoil or is this strictly limited to item steals?

I'm wondering if we can just totally replace this and leave the lower one for people with /THF instead of main.

I'm not sure, I just wanted to see the debuff effect, I'll try despoiling mobs with buffs when I can.

You were expecting maybe something that made thf better on hard monsters? We got Cyclone 2 and steal 2! how many other jobs can say they got an awesome update?

I am actually thinking BRD came out better with reduced critical damage taken or whatever...

Thanks for absolutely nothing SE... just further pushes me to level DRG before THF... even though during exp last night I think I saw conserve TP kick in 4 times on over 100 WS...

Why would SE put this on the same timer as Steal? I was really hoping it could be useful for those situations where you know you will steal something useless (I'm looking at you skeletons... yes I totally wanted that bone chip instead of your ice spikes...) and then you could seal the useless thing with Dispoil and get the buff with aurasteal.

So much for that idea...

People are surprised by this?

You can also Dispel buffs from mobs that drop things.

But if Aura Steal checked before items, then it would be impossible to steal an item from a mob that has a buff unless Aura Steal failed. And Aura Steal's failure rate is in the single-digit range (if not low single-digits); the only mob that I've seen it fail on consistently is Dynamis ahriman.

Add Def Down to the list. Lasted 27 seconds. There's no message it's applied, only when it wears off.

Fixted.

I don't even know how to articulate my disgust with this garbage.

That's funny. Maybe for once we'll get to steal useful stuff from more than just a few mobs we rarely fight (maybe inside abyssea?). As it is steal is largely a waste of time because you rarely fight anything with stealable stuff of value. Of course it's probably just wishful thinking. But you never know.

Edited, Jun 24th 2010 8:37pm by Melphina

It isn't true Thief. The recast plugin for some reason denotes "Despoil" as "Collaborator"

Our collaborator timers aren't reset, just steal/despoil.

Has anyone stolen anything not-food with it yet?
and/or tried it on hnms/nms?

Test in Ballista!

5minutes recast possible random debuff ?!
Why? Why?
What's on earth a THF done to you SquareEnix?!

We're the buttmonkeys of the DD world. We were buttmonkeys back when all the DRGs and DRKs were buttmonkeys, and we are still buttmonkeys now that they are riding high. We were buttmonkeys when DNC was created, and are still buttmonkeys now that they are... whatever they are now the lucky mother@#%^ers.

Us and BSTs. At least BST got some new jugs that aren't a joke.

Yes, I'm being petulant, but still, someday I'd like to be able to be driving the bandwagon.

Edited, Jun 28th 2010 11:04pm by AldousCayo

Ahahahahaha Square Enix hates us so damn much. :(

Goodbye cruel world.

/suicide

Few more items/debuffs to share. So far it has a worse steal rate than Steal, and +steal gear doesn't affect it.

Attack down/defense down/slow all given when an item was stolen.

Can steal raffelsia vines from (obviously) raffelsia, meat from crabs, and 2 leaf buds from Korrigan in the tree. :\

I'd rather have regen from Photosynthesis than a 2 leaf bud, @#%^.

I honestly can't currently think of a situation where I'd want to use this over the regular steal (other than beastmen stealing).

It seems like the items stolen, if they're stolen at all, are pretty much the same items that would normally drop on the death of the enemy itself, the chance of actually being successful with the steal are fairly low, and I have no idea what the debuff I applied was until it wears (if I even keep the enemy alive that long).

I've used it several times for nothing other than the fact that it was something new to play with, but I don't think this one will be making it to my macro bar over the regular Aura Steal enhanced base version anytime soon. I'll probably continue to use it while I'm messing around, but other than that I'm not too happy with this skill to be honest.

Even Mug, on it's 15 min timer, is more useful than this is in it's current state. If the debuff is only applied to enemies that you can steal from and most HNMs/NMs do not include stealable items (from current knowledge, this may be different now but I haven't succeeded in stealing anything from NMs yet), this is essentially useless to us on enemies that would actually require the debuff assistance since nothing is applied on a failed steal.

At a minumum, listing the debuff applied with a successful steal would at least give a THF a heads up as to what the hell is going on, but if it's only being used on chaff enemies that you can annihilate and the item stolen is something that usually drops on death anyway...what exactly is the point? Just chain kill and let TH load your inventory to the point of overflow.

Maybe I'm not using it correctly? I haven't tried to see if it works in synergy with any of our other skills yet. I assumed that this would not work with SA and TA and haven't tried anything positional in nature, but with the description matching Steal somewhat, I hadn't even considered it.

I like the Critical Attack Bonus trait (as my positive nod to something), but I'm not sure how this abortion of a /ja was supposed to change our gameplay.

Can anyone find a viable use for this other than creating a scrollbar in our /ja menu?

It was just something they pulled out of their ass at the last minute because they had to give every job a new JA.

5 posts above your's. Sample size was 100 Despoils with and without however. Steal equipment was relic legs, AF hat, feet, key belt, rogue's ring, rabbit charm, and thief's kote.

Edited, Jul 4th 2010 12:14pm by ElvaanTHF

I know it's a pipe dream and will never happen but....

Player uses Despoil
Player steals a Montiont Silverpiece from the Warchief Tombstone.

Ah... If only...

Oh, I know it's highly unlikely (Read: Never gonna happen) that we'd Despoil something THAT good, but as I said.. Pipe dream. :\

If you do start running a chronicle of despoil items, post them up somewhere so I can oogle abit. Also, I'd readily send you any submissions you may not have seen yet to add to the cause, I'd like a comprehensive despoil "guide" if you will.