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Think you misquoted there

I still don't see how it's relevant

orly? See example a:


And you then proceeded to use that as a basis of part of your argument.

You're avatar really doesn't help much either.

The thing is you are trying to argue what you interpreted and not what I said. Even after I clarified that "most of my zergs wipe" is not what I meant.

My "story" never "changed." It wouldn't even make sense from my arguement's point of view. I'm trying to assert that thf/rng can be effective in zergs by saying that most of my zergs wipe? That would be very poor salesmanship.

Which is just to say at this point you are grasping at things to argue about, not on topic, but just to argue because you don't like me. Which is cool. I am guilty too. I haven't really been liking you much either and we've been littering up this post with our little shots at each other.

But I really wish there wasn't all this garbage littering up this thread because I'd like to see more posts like Shamaya (saying it didn't work for him, and with reasons) and Jainaproud, who posted his gear sets (thank you btw), group settings, numbers and said its been effective for him on the very things you are saying it wouldn't work. Whether or not you think he's lying I'll leave to you I guess. But I won't be taking any more shots at you or hurling insults because I know that it is my contribution to this disaster as well.

I came to this thread knowing that my own gear sets are inferior. That 258 skill I can get with 2 pieces of gear I know is out classed by other pieces of gear. That is why I created this thread. I wanted an open discussion to see how other thvs that do this were gearing for it.

Your first argument was that thf with its 220 marksmanship (its 230 but I also think you know that and it was just a typo) skill couldn't hit the broad side of a marid with full racc gear and sushi. This isn't true. With proper gear, merits, food, support and feint during a zerg a naked THF can actually become MORE accurate than a naked, fully merited, RNG (for the first half of feint at least. I'm not in a position to comment on its rate of decay. That would be a good point for you actually). I make this comparison not to say that THF is better at this than a ranger or that we could even compete with their damage, just to gauge its "viability" with thf. RNG can sub /war, gets a few better gear pieces and also gains the benefit of feint. These things cannot be ignored. But my point is they don't get it if we are not there and if we are going to be there, in my opinion, we should be maximizing.

Perhaps your linkshell is good enough that it doesn't need all of its members to maximize. If so, I congratulate you. You are correct in assuming that mine is not in that position. If we can squeeze an extra few K from our TH whores, it takes some of the pressure off. That and I love popping accomplice on one of the heavier DD's, popping PD and taking more pressure off.

If you want to convince me that thf/rng is not the way to maximize in zergs, I am more than happy to be proven wrong. I am interested in maximizing because I need/like/love/want to maximize THF damage, not because of my love for /rng.

Your first posts did not do that. And when I called you inexperienced (never done it, never seen it, never needed to try it?) or uneducated (quoting incorrect skill levels, unsure of how strong feint is...which is really what makes this possible), it was trolling time from here on out. Which again, is cool, both of us are guilty of that. I understand the offense taken (though none was initially intended), but both of those statements are true, in my opinion, based on what you have been posting so far.

Edited, Aug 31st 2009 4:34pm by ThiefKiller

132-145 evasion down would certainly put us in the Racc ranges we need to be in.

Perhaps the rate of decay puts us in inaccurate territory quickly on mobs like Kirin? We know its at least 40 but its probably more. Do we know how far/how fast it decays?

Or perhaps some other factor not yet known to us effects how much evasion down feint applies. I have also been wondering if the effect stacks with or overwrites/is overwritten by other evasion down effects from weapons like Adder Jambiya and Thalasocrat.

Could be just bad luck landing on him too. Tough to say if it was just that one time.

Edited, Sep 1st 2009 5:32pm by ThiefKiller

The only thing that I've done a zerg on is BV2, but judging from my acc as RNG on those and on Kirin in general I doubt you would be able to get away with meat. Even on RNG with feint and prelude, when I eat meat the accuracy of Slug shot isn't near capped. Nothing atrocious like 50% or anything, but when you factor in that you have significantly lower accuracy on THF, you're going to need sushi or at the very least pot au feu to land anything consistently.

Not trying to compare the damage of THF slug to RNG, just trying to give you some perspective on how much you are overestimating Feint. If your goal is maximization, you have to consider dagger/meat vs sushi/cannon, not an idealistic full STR/meat build slugs.

Ok, I need to correct a couple minor inaccuracies.

THF has Sharpshot. RNG has AF enhanced Sharpshot. No one that I'm aware of has done full testing on Sharpshot to see what kind difference AF gives (always 1 minute duration), though I've seen assumptions made about +20 vs +30 R Acc (Similar to Temple Crown for Focus on MNK). Testing R Acc differences aren't as straight forward as checking Acc differences, as simple checks can't be used. You can only tell through parsing. And getting enough data for no sharpshot, sharpshot with AF pants, sharpshot without AF pants. Yeah...

Also, how much EVA is gained back by the mob in the 6 seconds after firing your first slug shot, and firing Barrage? Noodles, despite the flame war he engaged in, brought up a valid point regarding the use of more R Acc on barrage likely being unneccessary. And if for some reason it is neccessary (I'm skeptical until I see concrete decay numbers), then you'll definately need to be making the final 2 slug shots (assumming you'll be using an Icarus Wing) in even more R Acc gear.

Holy hell. I know I don't post on the THF boards too often, but are you on crack, high, or just plain stupid?

I'm guessing this is the THF forums regular troll?