Queen Noodles wrote:
Lol I meant most of the zergs that I have seen wipe. Not that most of my zergs wipe.
Most of the zergs I have been in have caused wipes because one too many DD went down or the mob lived past a CS stun.
There. Same thing. Story still changed from "my zergs wipe" to "zergs I see wipe". Never cared who caused a wipe.
The thing is you are trying to argue what you interpreted and not what I said. Even after I clarified that "most of my zergs wipe" is not what I meant.
My "story" never "changed." It wouldn't even make sense from my arguement's point of view. I'm trying to assert that thf/rng can be effective in zergs by saying that most of my zergs wipe? That would be very poor salesmanship.
Which is just to say at this point you are grasping at things to argue about, not on topic, but just to argue because you don't like me. Which is cool. I am guilty too. I haven't really been liking you much either and we've been littering up this post with our little shots at each other.
But I really wish there wasn't all this garbage littering up this thread because I'd like to see more posts like Shamaya (saying it didn't work for him, and with reasons) and Jainaproud, who posted his gear sets (thank you btw), group settings, numbers and said its been effective for him on the very things you are saying it wouldn't work. Whether or not you think he's lying I'll leave to you I guess. But I won't be taking any more shots at you or hurling insults because I know that it is my contribution to this disaster as well.
I came to this thread knowing that my own gear sets are inferior. That 258 skill I can get with 2 pieces of gear I know is out classed by other pieces of gear. That is why I created this thread. I wanted an open discussion to see how other thvs that do this were gearing for it.
Your first argument was that thf with its 220 marksmanship (its 230 but I also think you know that and it was just a typo) skill couldn't hit the broad side of a marid with full racc gear and sushi. This isn't true. With proper gear, merits, food, support and feint during a zerg a naked THF can actually become MORE accurate than a naked, fully merited, RNG (for the first half of feint at least. I'm not in a position to comment on its rate of decay. That would be a good point for you actually). I make this comparison not to say that THF is better at this than a ranger or that we could even compete with their damage, just to gauge its "viability" with thf. RNG can sub /war, gets a few better gear pieces and also gains the benefit of feint. These things cannot be ignored. But my point is they don't get it if we are not there and if we are going to be there, in my opinion, we should be maximizing.
Perhaps your linkshell is good enough that it doesn't need all of its members to maximize. If so, I congratulate you. You are correct in assuming that mine is not in that position. If we can squeeze an extra few K from our TH whores, it takes some of the pressure off. That and I love popping accomplice on one of the heavier DD's, popping PD and taking more pressure off.
If you want to convince me that thf/rng is not the way to maximize in zergs, I am more than happy to be proven wrong. I am interested in maximizing because I need/like/love/want to maximize THF damage, not because of my love for /rng.
Your first posts did not do that. And when I called you inexperienced (never done it, never seen it, never needed
to try it?) or uneducated (quoting incorrect skill levels, unsure of how strong feint is...which is really what makes this possible), it was trolling time from here on out. Which again, is cool, both of us are guilty of that. I understand the offense taken (though none was initially intended), but both of those statements are true, in my opinion, based on what you have been posting so far. Edited, Aug 31st 2009 4:34pm by ThiefKiller