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I've recently the good fortune of both relic hands and skadi hands. I'd like to primarily TP with the skadi, but at the same time, not lose the benefit of TH4. My question is, at what point does TH kick in - during the fight as hate is generated or am I ok as long as the relic hands are equipped at kill/drop point.

I apologize in advance if this info is covered in the stickies, I couldn't find it.

Thanks.

That ^ only I switch to TH gear at the end of the fight.

This. If I'm fighting odin I'll start the fight in thief's knife and ass armlets and then after I hit it or ws it I'll switch to sirocco and homam. If I'm in something like limbus or dynamis I just full time ass armlets/thief's knife in my tp set because it's not worth it to keep switching for every single mob.

I want to keel you, even though I know you're being sarcastic.

Sorry it was like 5am when I wrote that.

I could be more well-read (at least time-wise) into this subject than anyone. A great portion of the TH article on (other)wiki are my own edits.

What I meant is that there is no commentary sufficient enough to answer this concern specifically. It is the case however based on the commentary we do have, that we know our TH value is registered when we meet the conditions, either co-conditional or separately, that some amount of enmity must held against the target mob, and that an action must be performed on the mob itself.

Looking as carefully as possible at the commentary and assuming nothing more than is clear, we've arrived at the conclusion that we don't know the answer to the OP's question. And that is because there is no specific commentary on that subject. As if being careful not to assume to much was enough of a problem, we also have to remember that these commentaries are translated. This causes imprecise communication, such as the use of the word "party" as opposed to specifying any group of people who are able to access a treasure pool after a mob has been killed (ie an alliance, etc), which I checked up on my own personal testing (1, 2)back when. And if those weren't problems enough we have to remember we're dealing w/ SE. They're hard to trust -.-

That is because you assume too much.

Hmmm idkkkkk... Otherwise if it was that obvious, I don't think the vast majority of people would be that uncomfortable that they would find themselves equipping th4 at the end of the fight and making OP's with this very same question over and over.

We do know if you die, the effect will remain. That much is good and supports your contention. But it is far from 'evidence', so to speak (maybe I'm just so picky and precise because I'm a philosophy grad). Likewise, people feel uncomfortable zoning, dropping from ally, or moving out of exp range--for fear that this will "remove" said "debuff." It's understandable; the game could easily keep tabs on your 'current TH value' for affected mobs in real time, only beginning to take such tabs as soon as you (1)have some enmity on the mob, and (2)have performed an action targeted on the mob. Or it could simply calculate drops at the end of the fight, using the list of PC's having enmity on the mob and the highest TH4 value at the time within that given pool of PC's. Both of these scenarios would be fully consistent with SE's (semi-reliable)(translated)(offered under limited time constraints) statements.

I understand what you're stating are some reasonable assumptions. I don't think people would say they aren't. Just a difference between assumptions and knowledge. Everyone constantly refers to this 'debuff style' theory all the time though.

I'm just used to dealing with logical assessments such that arguments like,
P: I think,
C: Therefore, I am
, are considered ambiguous and/or crummy.

"comes into play" doesn't flat out say anything much. But in any event, what of the old commentary where being out of exp range meant that there was no TH. This was a long time ago. Was it a trash GM commentary? Or an actual SE commentary? I can't remember, it's been so long and it's 2am and I don't have the link.

Edited, Aug 31st 2009 3:16am by Shamaya