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#52 Jul 29 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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If you can't find the Ranged att jobs, RDM BRD MNK MNK MNK MNK works a beauty.

Lol that would be great if i had either Rdm/Brd/Mnk leveled :P

Im probably gonna end up going to zerg setup as Drg and Angon+Pwn face. But the no JA thing hurts Drg a bit, but i can still get off Angon and a couple jumps at least. But my ideal is still:

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Angon>Drakes>Med>Jump>Hjump>Drakes>2hour(resets jumps)>Jump>Jump>Hit>Drakes>Wing>Drakes.

It does really pretty well on most zerg scenarios in tandem with uber angon. (nice to feel like i actually "pull my weight" instead of just being angon *****) Usually works out to Angon, 4WS, 4 jumps with a couple melee smacks before im back to basic melee>WS, but thats a lot of JAs. If i get hit before I can 2hour+2nd jumps, i get kinda screwed (like i did my 1st attempt).

Otherwise Im going on Thf in a /ra setup.
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#53 Jul 29 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Do you know which area he did this fight in? (If it makes any difference at all)


The guy who got both the +6's I saw, got them in Grauberg fight against the Quadav with the Wivres. This happens to be the same area where I have not seen above +3 myself, however he tells me both times he got the +6, they did the fight with only 5 people.

Most likely only coincedental, but seeing as these are the only +6's I've personally seen, I'm willing to try a couple times with 5 to see if my luck changes. To those others that have gotten, or seen a +6 augment, do you know if it was done in full party or not?
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That's true that (anwig salade) it makes an amazing WS piece if you don't have heca. Personally I've found that buffing your TP set to the maximum is always best regardless, but *shrug*.

I'm actually getting a different number for fStr cap on greater colibri.
Weapon rank of 2, cap of +10fStr
67g.colibri vit + 4, +4*10 = 111

I couldn't picture an optimal DE/EV going over 111 total Str but I guess that's if you're mithra too hmm.. Guess that's a closer call than I thought. Mine has +35 in it, which puts me at a total 102Str w/ my str merits. I can see warwolf instead of cuchulains and being elvaan taking me over that, yeah.

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fstr = (yourstr - mobvit + 4)/4

So to work backwards it would be 10*4 - 4 + 67 = 103, so if this is a rank 3 weapon it would be 107.
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Woops. Since there isn't a space on wiki between "mob vit" and 4, I always thought it was player str - (mob vit + 4), and not (player str - mob vit) + 4
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#58 Jul 31 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
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Theres way to many options in ffXI atm. So many infact, my headss fining it hard to cumpute each one.

Take the ACP body. I've finished the fight, but can't choice between a QD piece for my COR which is still only 73. a Slug Shot piece for COR, or a TP piece for NIN (and possibly THF if.when i finish it)

Then theres Anwig Salade. TP or WS piece? Do I make the ultimate Y/G/K piece, or do I allow a ws piece that all my other jobs can enjoy.

This new Fane Baselard I'm actually very happy about. I'm gonna start doing the NM with DMG+6 ACC+9 minimum requirements, so I can be happy knowing I have a pretty great FB/BD dagger combo at 75 THF.

For anyone else who can't make decisions atm, especially regarding AMDK reward, the last boos looks relatively simple, so you could actually pick one play around with it, then try another combo that took your fancy. AMDK is just annoying as **** becasue its just farm, farm, bloody farm.
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We did this yesterday and I kept this dagger on the 3rd attempt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/Dawnn/Baselard.jpg

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 10:45am by Dawnn
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#60 Jul 31 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Congratulations Dawnn.
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Hiya Jurist, thanks ^_^

Now I'm wondering, how much Triple Attack is possible O.o?

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 12:01pm by Dawnn
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#62 Aug 03 2009 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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That is a really nice augment Dawnn. May I ask what zone you did that in?

Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 9:23pm by Melphina
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#63 Aug 04 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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We did this in Grauberg [S].
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I just got my dagger from a union coffer, so I'm excited to do this. I'll post my results if I can get a group to go with.
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Hey all -

Just wanted to post my results, been a long time since I posted on Alla, but today (also my birthday) did the fight for the first time in Grauberg and got:

DMG+6
Triple Attack +1
Subtle Blow +7

I think I'll stick with this in Mainhand and offhand my Blau for a while. SK, into storage you go!

Best of luck to all you Thieves!

Edited, Aug 8th 2009 10:21pm by Leglacent
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These are amazing compared to COR's hexagun.

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Hey, did my Fane BAselards today. Unfortunately I was a little jumpy and accepted the first augments I got on both (horror stories freaked me out <.<)

So I now have a
DMG+4 Triple +1
Add effect: Paralysis (13%)

and

DMG+5 Triple +2
Subtle blow +4

I'm gonna sell my Jambiya and main-hand the second, would offhanding the Paralysis one be good for soloing? :X 13% ain't too bad with 2x 186 delay daggers.

I kinda wanted to go for a mini-blau but I'm way to paranoid, and I had such terrible luck with Fay lance. I'm gonna try BLU though because this fight is so fun!
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#68 Aug 17 2009 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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X's I would'nt know where it would stand, but im sure the extra crit % will be out shone by lower delay and 5% ACC.


Didnt Mel show that Sirocco and X are pretty much the same on damage, with some advantage going towards blau/sirocco instead of X/blau?

Either way, if it is better than Sirocco, it should be better than X.

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#70 Aug 17 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Didnt Mel show that Sirocco and X are pretty much the same on damage, with some advantage going towards blau/sirocco instead of X/blau?

Either way, if it is better than Sirocco, it should be better than X.


I did those calculations before I had my own X's knife; probably around half a year ago. Since then I've gotten my own x's to play around with but I still stand by my original conclusion. I've had x's knife since mid April and toyed around with its mechanics in a /nin setup but I still can't come up with any combo that would be clearly better. The blau/sirocco is so much faster than the x's/blau it's visibly noticeable (in a big way), but it does hit for less. There's the wind damage and added tp though to make it up. X's has the power of crits and higher base damage all around.

There were some people who played around with the combos also, and even a test with two very similarly geared thieves, one using each combo. After 30 minutes of testing there was a point they were within less than one percent damage difference of one another. The wind would have put sirocco ahead here due to them testing versus colibri. Other thieves have commented on the dual wield aspect of x's/blau versus blau/sirocco, such as Lordtrey and noted that they too see a mirrored performance, so close to identical you can't discern a better combo. They merely derive the damage from different strengths, but the verdict is very much the same.

X's knife IS a great dagger on Gods though. THAT is its true calling. In the HNM and end game scene x's is the dagger to be using, for obvious reasons. Our criticals make up a large portion of our damage there, and shark bite and mandalic stab both use this same focus of criticals. So on them I'd use X's. Other than that I just use whichever dagger combo I feel like. I go with whatever mood I'm in and take it at that. Blau/sirocco when I want the speed, and x's blau for the coolness. The exception is of course puks and colibri, for obvious reasons ^^.

If Fane/Blau is a significant improvement over blau/sirocco, it's also going to be better than x's/blau. This is of course dual wielding, but for our discussion that's assumed anyway. /war would see X's as the best non relic dagger, followed by blau dolch obviously, and then whatever you find useful from that point on. Azoth is actually a good choice here and worthy of mention, but so is the adder jambiya (yeah I know... expensive and rare) and a few others. But to hold back before going off topic much more, that's my breakdown of x's/blau and blau/sirocco.

Edited, Aug 17th 2009 7:09pm by Melphina
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So, if Azoth/Blau is better than Blau/Sirocco when uncapped acc (as proven by you). and Blau/Sirocco is equal X's/Blau, then Azoth/Blau is therefor equal X's/Blau.

So if that's the case, then why do so many people try countless times, or camp countless hours to get X's Knife or Sirocco Kukri when an AH combo is at least equal? Price?

Any top Thf in a top LS (who is more than just a TH4 *****) is going to be able to afford Azoth/Blau, but I dont think any would.

In fact, I don't htink I've seen an Azoth/Blau combo in a long time, if ever, but from what you say, it's at least equal to X's/Blau (By being equal/better to Blau/SK which is a sidegrade to X's/Blau.)

I bet if you went to BG or any top endgame player and spouted that Azoth/Blau is equal X's/Blau and Blau/Sirocco, you'd get flamed to ****. Yet, you yourself indirectly say that Azoth/Blau is the best non-relic combo after Fane/Blau.

Is everyone who ignored Azoth as nothing more than a DNC dagger wrong? Cus that's what you're posts seem to be showing.
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#72 Aug 17 2009 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, if Azoth/Blau is better than Blau/Sirocco when uncapped acc (as proven by you). and Blau/Sirocco is equal X's/Blau, then Azoth/Blau is therefor equal X's/Blau.


You should re-check that thread. The original comparison completely ignored TP gain and only compared WS, DPS, SA/TA damage in a vacuum and ignored the TP gain advantage the speed of sirocco adds. Needless to say, the results were reversed once siroccos rather crazy TP gain was added. (even with the 2% hit rate on azoth)

The OP was later edited to reflect the changes. iirc, sirocco got some 14% higher TP gain or some such big number that completely reversed the conclusion. Siroccos speed enhancing TP gain has in EVERY comparison proven to push the competition down from Pharpe/Azoth/Insert dagger combo here/ and allows it to keep up with X's easily. 210 delay just slows down TP gain to much since we still get enhanced TP gain under 180 delay per hand. Blau siroccos base delay /nin with suppa is 131.2 per dagger. With 3% DW mirk its 126.28 per hand. That is phenominal and creates monstrous TP gain. (for comparison 210 harpe class and blau are 155.2 and 149.38 respectively). The increasing TP gain the farther under 180 gets sirocco MUCH higher TP gain and with a solid D33 blau for WS, all those extra WS generated are still practically the same in damage to other combos and the total damage just adds up faster.
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So, if Azoth/Blau is better than Blau/Sirocco when uncapped acc (as proven by you). and Blau/Sirocco is equal X's/Blau, then Azoth/Blau is therefor equal X's/Blau.


My Azoth/Blau and Blau/Sirocco comparison was a disaster because I had to edit it too many times. That was the first time I tried a full comparison/breakdown on different daggers and I didn't include tp gain in the original calculation, nor fSTR or other factors that required consideration. Thanks to the input from others (the biggest ones were deadgye, milich and especially Torzak) I was corrected on misunderstandings in my damage calculations. I only began reading the wiki formulas in 2007 and thought I knew enough to try a comparison by then, but I ended up falling flat on my face with it. That was a little over a year ago now, in July of 2008. I'll link to the post but I'd request it not be necrobumped, being a year old and etc.

My old post is Here

From the beginning the math was criticized for inaccuracy, and Torzak really showed me a lot with his post towards the bottom of page 2. I've since taken into consideration the things I learned there, but nevertheless I don't consider that a good breakdown. Long story short, in that case it was me who learned a few things about dagger calculations and Azoth/blau was proven to be rather inferior to blau/sirocco due to the increased tp gain of the blau/sirocco. I never understood that the tp gain of the blau/sirocco was THAT much better than azth/blau, in fact I didn't understand tp calculations at all. Adding that I omitted fSTR and was using what Torzak referred to as "somepage like DPS numbers" the verdict was reversed.

Summarizing all that:
Blau/sirocco is better than Azoth/blau, and it's by a good chunk of DoT. Blau/sirocco and x's/blau are very similar, so much so that they cannot be truly differentiated when you look at the factors. Azoth however didn't fare so well, and while it's potential is GOOD, blau/sirocco and x's/blau are better. Therefore, if Fane/blau is better than those two combos, it is most definitely better than the azoth/blau. Seriously think about it. Azoth is Damage 35 and delay 210 and accuracy + 4 agility +4, whereas Fane Baselard can be damage 33 with accuracy + 10 and delay of 186. In considering those differences, the Fane/blau is a HUGE increase over azoth blau if you get similar augments. There isn't any comparison at all of the 2 damage and 4 agility when you look at ~~ 6 accuracy and delay - 24 (in terms of daggers, 24 delay is a LOT).


EDIT: Banalaty beat me to the punch and summarized it perfectly. The lower you go below 180 delay the faster the rate of tp gain is enhanced (exponentially), and this is a concept I did not understand at the time. Blau/sirocco is a LOT faster than Azoth/Blau. Ridiculously so, and that means the tp gain will be vastly superior. With good haste the weaponskill frequency is so much higher. I made a lot of mistakes with that one, but thanks to others I was taught several important details of the math process, and an accurate verdict was derived. I still thank you guys for that. That was rather embarrassing, but I view it as a learning thing now. I'm actually glad that turned out as it did now, but it definitely wasn't my best moment.

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Summarizing all that: Blau/sirocco is better than Azoth/blau, and it's by a good chunk of DoT.
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Ok, what about Batardeau/Blau?


Does the DPS (second only to Mandau) make up for the loss of TP gain or should you just leave it in your MH?

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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Ok, what about Batardeau/Blau?


Does the DPS (second only to Mandau) make up for the loss of TP gain or should you just leave it in your MH?


Batardeau has a slower delay than Fane but it has a base damage of 39 and it's really hard to say. I've come to the realization over the past year that even with good math examples you can't always predict everything and there is a margin of error that can't be guaranteed. I think Batardeau could feasibly fall within that line. I've also relaxed my personal stance on trying to always maximize everything a bit. You can't always do everything perfect and that's part of life. FFXI Is still first and foremost a game after all. There are some dagger combos that are just so much better they blow the competition away. For the majority Blau/sirocco and X's/blau are the top two contenders and are on very similar footing. A great augment on Fane Baselard will make Fane/blau better than these two. Those 3 combos are just THAT good. Mandau is a dead winner for being... well, Mandau. Vajra isn't that great because the resources required would be almost enough to get a Mandau and it's vastly inferior. Other daggers like Azoth and Adder Jambiya are good, but not AS good as the other combos.

These are simple enough to grasp because when you throw the numbers together the difference is large enough to give a clear winner. If you compared Azoth/blau with combined delay of 388 and base D of 68 (pre fSTR) and looked at a Fane/Blau with combined Delay 364 and base D of 66, then added 6 more accuracy to fane or threw in triple attack then yeah, that's a pretty easy thing to see when you run the numbers.

Besides, Batardeau is stage 4 relic. That's a HUGE achievement, and if I owned one you can be sure as **** I'd use it. There is something to be said for enjoying your playtime, and I know if I owned Batardeau but never used it it would bother me. The Batardeau is close enough to sirocco and x's there's no reason not to use it. It'll get the job done just fine.

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Batardeau has a slower delay than Fane but it has a base damage of 39 and it's really hard to say. I've come to the realization over the past year that even with good math examples you can't always predict everything and there is a margin of error that can't be guaranteed
I think after all this experience, the best way to approach the game analyses is on paper, on parse, and theory. There are too many factors to be taken into account to make paper, parse, or general theory accurate and precise every time.

But I did parse Batardeau/Blau vs Blau/Sirocco. I got the feel that they were roughly the same, and they parsed about the same. I used both interchangeably at whim. Mighty Knife is about the same though. So if you're using Mighty Knife you can get a good feel/parse for how it would compare. When I've used Mighty Knife prior though, it didn't feel like anything significant. These two combos are pretty close, I'd have to agree.
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I WISH i could say this was mine, (and apologize, didnt think to take a pic of it ; ;) But the stats we want exist, just need to go get em.

I saw one today on a thf with:
D+5
Acc+9
Triple Atk+2

That is by far the best ive seen yet. But if that was D6.....OMG! Time to start spamming again!
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Banalaty wrote:
I WISH i could say this was mine, (and apologize, didnt think to take a pic of it ; ;) But the stats we want exist, just need to go get em.

I saw one today on a thf with:
D+5
Acc+9
Triple Atk+2

That is by far the best ive seen yet. But if that was D6.....OMG! Time to start spamming again!


Guess Its time for me to start spamming these too... le sigh

Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 11:25am by ThiefKiller
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Well, not much of an update, but its the 1st one that ive kept so far. Did 5 successful runs this evening with some moderate success.

D5, Acc+6 was my best.

It was teh 5th one, so went ahead and kept it and will use it as my benchmark for future augs. However, I did get one 2 runs before that was D4, TA+2, Blind+8. If the blind had been acc....

Another aug also added +3atk which was news to me. I dont recall ever seeing or hearing about +atk on a Thf dagger. At least its a good stat. If atk runs like acc: D6, Acc9, atk9 or something of that nature could be quite good as well as a ghetto blau that doesnt suck post 100TP.

But anyway, at least I saw my 1st TA aug and it was +2, hit up to D5 for the 1st time and found out +atk is a possible mod. D5, acc6 is mildly competitive. Nothing worth oogling over, but raises the moral a bit compared to my previous runs with nothing but D3 or less, effects, and LOTS of subtle blow.
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What? No DMG+6 Triple Attack +2 Attack +9?

Gimp.

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OK so let me ask this question all are asking (will Fane/Blau be better than Blau/Sicc) from other side.
Lets say we have Fane with these augments:
DMG +6
Acc + 7 (medium between 5-10 wich are possible)
Triple Attack +2 (i believe i saw +3 somewere)

what then? Im horrible at all this math + i have hard times understanding english (sometimes), but with that augments, would it be better than Blau/Sicc ?


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IMO, dam +6, acc +5 or more and any TA, makes it a great replacement for SK. TP, should work out similar, and WSs will be more powerful, more accurate, and spike 1%+ more.

My problem with fane is i rarely use /nin when i dont use TK most (or all of the time) like the little farming i do, dynamis, limbus, usually Nyzul (except bosses (too much hassle to swap around and lose tp on the tons of nms you kill, people are always seeking weapons).

I would like to have more times on thf/nin where i could use DW setups, but for all the hard stuff I end up /drk or /war. And in those fights, the little acc and TA bonus possible (over what blau gives in acc) just doesn't outweigh 14 att to me in those situations.

But, I do still intend to start spamming, just to see what i get. Would be nice to have a reason to merit on THF for at least one party (COR is just always the better merit choice for me as i only vale exp/hour generally if i am boring myself with merits).
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#84 Sep 30 2009 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Eh, ***** using TK fulltime on anything other than HNM floors.

The ??? drops are 100%, and I'm not farming weapons. TK stays in bag untill the boss fight.

But besides that, if it's a long boss fight, I think you would do more damage using your normal daggers and switching in TK once (and losing TP - though just do it after a WS) than you would using TK fulltime.

But I've never thought of switching in TH4 for random bosses for the chance of a nyzul weapon drop. Don't see the point.
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#85 Sep 30 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I got +4 dmg 6 Acc 7 subtle blow. Not bad considering that I have been main hand BK+1 for ages. (too many jobs to fully update thief)

Going to go back and try for a +5 or +6 with Acc
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#86 Sep 30 2009 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Bah

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/img00023200909301925.jpg/

Could someone maybe host that for me? I'll post back in a little with hopefully a good augment.


Just won within the last 10 seconds by me blowing up. Did the fight in Grauberg and my dagger came back with 8 accuracy, triple attack+1 and subtle blow+4. I turned it down.

Edited, Sep 30th 2009 8:51pm by DmitryOnIfrit
#87 Oct 03 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Ah XD. I love how that screenshot has a "THF can't do anything," wedged in there. Your link seems to have failed a bit. I don't see any fane pics.

Just got a 5dmg, 8 acc, light effect +13 (wish that was TA). This might be my new bird-dagger of choice. Instead of x's.


Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong there. A bonus 4% hit-rate on a relatively high-dps dagger in situations where acc isn't capped (birds, eating meat) is a worthwhile trade for x's, yes?

Edited, Oct 4th 2009 8:54am by Wolfhart
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#88 Oct 04 2009 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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That's what the pic was for :P

I didn't bother taking a pic of my dagger because I didn't keep it. Hopefully I can find a group to go again.

Just got back from doing my last 4 tries.

http://img8.imageshack.us/i/img00032200910051646.jpg/ this is what I ultimately ended up with. My other augments weren't much better, I just accepted since it was my last one. =/

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 4:51pm by DmitryOnIfrit
#89 Oct 05 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Ah, whoops. I misinterpreted the point of that screenshot XD. It was someone denying you a spot. I went through about 13 augments before getting a decent one, so keep at it.

Has a difference in augments been discovered by doing different fights? Everyone in game I've asked has only tried the grauberg fight.
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#90 Oct 09 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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The pixies themselves say you get better augments for doing harder fights, which is I'm guessing fights with more stars. The only problem is finding people to go and actually test that out since everyone just wants to do the easy fight.
#91 Oct 10 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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YAY my 1st really good one!

D+5 (D32 main hand)
Acc+3
Triple+2

If only i had that D6 and some more acc.....but its still pretty dang good.

Now debating if I should have it replace sirocco. If the acc was a higher id feel more certain. What do you thf peoples think? D33, Acc3, TA+2 a sirocco killer?


When I ran the numbers on colibri I got ~10% more DoT and "more" TP. Not going into Xhit vs straight TP gained methodolgies here, but Blau/Sir in my gear is 5.0 a hit (20 hits), Fane/blau (no mirke yet) 5.3 a hit (19 hit build). 19 hit fane is a hair slower delay than 20 with sirocco, but im guessing the TA and acc counter that easy. My numbers showing about ~5% increase in TP gain. So it seems the 3acc and 2% triple can certainly at the minimum keep up with blau/sir and possibly pass it up by as much as ~5%ish. The -1D on SA/TA/WS is lame, but utterly miniscule and easily made up for by changing my offhand on WS and SA/TA from D26 to D33 blau. (Edit: Oh and the 2% triple on WS certainly is awesome too xD)

I think i just answered my own question xD

Edited, Oct 10th 2009 6:08pm by Banalaty

Edited, Oct 10th 2009 6:19pm by Banalaty
Borked my 1st over on it. Forgot to change some factors in my spreadsheet giving undue advantage to fane.

Edited, Oct 11th 2009 12:12am by Banalaty
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Well, a D33 would have a slightly higher DPS over sirocco (10.6 vs 10.4). Add slightly faster TP gain with TA +2% and a little acc and it seems like the better choice.

I can't say for sure if D32 is superior or not, particularly when fighting things where the wind is unresisted. Slightly lower DPS (10.3), +1.5% hit rate, and 2% TA (3.3% more swings? having a math aneurysm and can't recall how to calc that exactly.)
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#93 Oct 10 2009 at 6:54 PM Rating: Default
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Depends on how potent the wind damage is I'd say. So for example on colibri, go with that fane.

But buy another and try for a better one!

Also, this forum is so dead. I hope that cool dagger in the original update notes will be something very cool to get this forum buzzing again.
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Also, this forum is so dead. I hope that cool dagger in the original update notes will be something very cool to get this forum buzzing again.


It'd be nice. It's true the forum is dead lately, but there isn't a lot going on atm. It has its ups and downs. In addition to there not being much new stuff happening right now, It's also the holiday season. Since I work retail that means I'll be a lot more tired until the next few months pass, and I'm sure others will have similar experiences. This is a busy time of the year, but we're all still here.

That dagger really does look cool. I can't help but wonder what's to come from it.
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Oh i absolutely intend to keep trying for a better one, just deciding what to do with it right now.

I realized i borked my 1st quick analysis on it. I had been using that cell set to compare fane with DW mirke so it had +1 Fstr and the 3% delay atk speed, but I used the non-3% DW TP/hit. Completely jacked it up giving it a HUGE edge in every respect xD.

So now that im bored, i worked out the differences for me and my build a little more clearly.

/ramble on
Much more rational numbers now. Fane is basically just a tiny hair behind sirocco on DoT and TP gain (both under 5%) but with the acc and triple, it tilts the other way on both counts by a smidge. For my TP set on colibri, fane wins straight DoT by rather significant ~3.9%.

The TP is basically a dead heat in both %gain and Xhit. Fane has some 1.09% increase in TP rate in %gain once triple/acc are accounted for. As far as X hits, sirocco gets 20 hits 4.5% faster than fane does 19. However, that ignores the 3 acc and 2% triple. 2% triple (on top of brutal, merits and my assumed 1% corazza) will increase my total hits by 3.02%. 1.5% hitrate will make that total increase to TP over 4.5% (how much over depending on how far below acc cap you are). No matter how its measured, it is virtually identical with a possible edge on TP for blau/fane.

As WS frequency will be virtually identical, Fane wins the WS department. D-1 on WS at MOST can be (on a main hand triple on DE/evis landing all htis) -7 base damage. Changing offhand from D25 sirocco to D33 blau is a gain of +8. Even with DE's lolFTP, fane/blau will still have stronger WS every time. Blau/Sirocco can MATCH it IF you triple on main hand AND if the +1 base damage actually happens to get +1 base damage from the piddly FTP (unlikely). Every other time, WS damage goes to fane/blau. Then theres the 3acc and 2% triple which puts it way ahead on WS.

Leaving only SATA which again, +8 damage on the offhand (100% acc mind you) negates -1 damage even at a crit value in all situations.
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So my fane matches or edges out sirocco in every conceivable way on paper. Can the wind damage make up for stronger WS/SATA and 3.9% melee DoT? (This is DW dot so wind damage only every other hit). My guess is its so close on neutral mobs that arent wind resistant that it wont possibly matter. On something like colibri which is very resistant, and has piercing bonus, your damage is inflated 25%, while wind damage is reduced so its REALLY unlikely that it would. Bleh another wash dagger overall. More reason to keep going for that magical D6, Acc9, TA+2 dream. At least i HAVE an option that doesnt gimp me :P

/ramble off
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Forum has been dead, but there's really nothing new to talk about. Original topics are always welcome though.

Aanalaty wrote:
More reason to keep going for that magical D6, Acc9, TA+2 dream.


Yeah, I'm currently chasing that dream, when I can con LS mates to attempt some fights. I should probably stop; that's gil I could be sinking into my relic. Gambling sure is addicting though.

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#97 Oct 19 2009 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Knowing SE the dagger will need you to finish all forms of MMM and then collect a 5% drop item off of 10 different 16~36 hr lotto pop NM's then pay a npc crafting fee of 500k.


Stats will be DMG 30 Delay 194 Tripple attack +1 LOL +100

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Things have been kinda dead. It's made me a little depressed to play recently. The combination of the news release of FFXIV, some people quitting and/or moving-to/trying AION, coupled with the incredibly lackluster updates we've been getting and the lack of any news on playonline.com (of substance), no fan/vanafest.. was bad enough. But all the forums I've been posting in have slowed down a lot lately. This is actually still one of the more active. KI's asura and thf forum have been slow.. BG picked up a little but was dead as **** last month. At least it's easier for me to keep up with this forum; sometimes I felt I just didn't have time to check it (or maybe it's just that now I have too much free time at work). I wouldn't quit, but when I had the inkling last month that "hmm, I could try leveling some other jobs to spice things up a bit"--I then realized that things were amiss. I never level jobs. So if I'm thinking about doing something that doesn't matter to me, am I wasting my valuable time by playing ff? Meh.

They should make this aern-looking dagger something like, totally OP. Something that's like ridiculous when dual wielded with x's knife or mandau. Something to make vajra look even worse.
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It's natural for this to happen to a forum over time. The problem is that most game mechanics are understood by the people who frequent these forums. Long gone are the days of proving there's a correlation between DEX and SA, how PDIF/fstr work, and WAR vs NIN as a subjob. The information is known--and it's not as if it's known via eyeballing, there are mathematical models available in the community to calculate them.

What happens is at first you answer the big questions such as what's the delay reduction for DW, how do you increase your SA numbers, etc. and we're to the point now that we talk about exactly what daggers are best to use at which merit camps, which pieces of equipment to stack with each SA, SA+WS, TA, etc. in each of these situations, etc.

In other words, we're to a point that there are very few situations that need to be discussed and thus there is less to talk about.
#100 Oct 31 2009 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Where did the STR+2 Fane come from? I've never gotten a STR dagger in Grauberg. Was it from there or a harder zone?
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