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#1 Jul 22 2009 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
How many have augmented this dagger and what kind of goodies did you get? DMG +4, ACC +6 and Subtle Blow +6 as of 5 mins ago.

GL to everyone that tries one of these fights, I know mine in Grauberg [S] was a biotch.

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Seems like Acc, Dmg+, triple attack, and subtle blow are some of the more common boosts on this thing.

Someone in the KI thread seems committed to getting a good combo at least.
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Shamaya wrote:
Seems like Acc, Dmg+, triple attack, and subtle blow are some of the more common boosts on this thing.

Someone in the KI thread seems committed to getting a good combo at least.


considering +4 seems to be the highest reported "+DMG", fane starts at 27, and other endgame main options are 33-37 DMG with added bonuses (ATT/ACC, +crit hit damage, etc), the unfortunate truth seems to be that they won't be getting a good combo.
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#4 Jul 24 2009 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Also consider it only starts at 22DMG offhand. Which is abysmal.
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Just did this quest for first time for my BLU, my stats were poor but a guy in group got me wanting to do it for THF with +9 DMG and +Drk Dmg stats. Giving it 36 Base on Main Hand.
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Just did this quest for first time for my BLU, my stats were poor but a guy in group got me wanting to do it for THF with +9 DMG and +Drk Dmg stats. Giving it 36 Base on Main Hand.


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#7 Jul 24 2009 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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It is garbage as a sub weapon. For main hand, it's still no better than Blau Dolch as well as other high-end daggers. I'll reserve my judgment on it until I see DMG going for more than +4 (its delay is not bad as is). Are DMG, Accuracy, and Subtle Blow the only three? SAM's weapon have been the same for its own three as well so I'd think other weapons are all like it. So I think for this THF one we can all just hope for a higher +DMG to be confirmed.

Edited, Jul 24th 2009 8:28am by Jevilwolf
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Base damage isn't everything but it's important of course. If it got +5 base dmg it'd be 1 less than Blau in the mainhand. And if it had great stats otherwise it could possibly be better than S.Kukri, even if you had to offhand blau and lose 1 dmg on WS, which isn't much. I guess I don't really have my hopes up yet, and I'm not sure what said hypothetical 'awesome stats' could be. I don't think we have a large enough sample of attempts on this yet to conclude anything but it's not looking amazing so far.
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Looking over the BLU forum, highest DMG confirmed so far is +5. That gives some hope to think +5 DMG (or more) can be on dagger as well.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Thursday, July 23 I got Fane Baselard with augments of:

DMG+5, Accuracy+6, and Subtle Blow+5

Not a BD by any means, but for someone who plays THF only for low man fights, farming, and the occasional Nyzul run, I think it's a reasonably good dagger for a decent price (think I paid 140k for the dagger), and price is likely to go down exponentially over the next month or 2. I'm not going to post a screenshot as I don't recall how lol, but anyone I'll show it to anyone on Sylph who wants confirmation.

Oh yeah, I got these augments in Grauberg[S]. Party was PLD/NIN, RNG/NIN(me), BLU/NIN, SCH/RDM, WHM/SCH, and RDM/BLM. was a very easy fight and took about 15 minutes per kill.
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PadishonSylph wrote:
Thursday, July 23 I got Fane Baselard with augments of:

DMG+5, Accuracy+6, and Subtle Blow+5

Not a BD by any means, but for someone who plays THF only for low man fights, farming, and the occasional Nyzul run, I think it's a reasonably good dagger for a decent price (think I paid 140k for the dagger), and price is likely to go down exponentially over the next month or 2. I'm not going to post a screenshot as I don't recall how lol, but anyone I'll show it to anyone on Sylph who wants confirmation.

Oh yeah, I got these augments in Grauberg[S]. Party was PLD/NIN, RNG/NIN(me), BLU/NIN, SCH/RDM, WHM/SCH, and RDM/BLM. was a very easy fight and took about 15 minutes per kill.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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PadishonSylph wrote:
Thursday, July 23 I got Fane Baselard with augments of:

DMG+5, Accuracy+6, and Subtle Blow+5

Not a BD by any means, but for someone who plays THF only for low man fights, farming, and the occasional Nyzul run, I think it's a reasonably good dagger for a decent price (think I paid 140k for the dagger), and price is likely to go down exponentially over the next month or 2. I'm not going to post a screenshot as I don't recall how lol, but anyone I'll show it to anyone on Sylph who wants confirmation.

Oh yeah, I got these augments in Grauberg[S]. Party was PLD/NIN, RNG/NIN(me), BLU/NIN, SCH/RDM, WHM/SCH, and RDM/BLM. was a very easy fight and took about 15 minutes per kill.


hmm. 1 less weapon damage, 1 more ACC, 16 less ATT, 8 more delay. not as good, but yeah, not terrible. blau is around 3%-5% better, depending on melee/WS/ability split. not bad really.
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#13 Jul 24 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Fane/Dolch looks really **** with that
DMG+5, Accuracy+6, and Subtle Blow+5.

Definitely great combo situationaly
That Fane's got slightly less DPS than Sirocco
but that extra 6acc sure is ****.

hmm offhand Fane, and swap bombcore back in?

Looks like I'll have to pick me up a couple of those baselards and get to work.

edit - calculated DPS using D33 for Fane before edit.


Edited, Jul 24th 2009 2:59pm by Zelphan
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Zelphan wrote:
That Fane's got slightly less DPS than Sirocco
but that extra 6acc sure is ****.

hmm offhand Fane, and swap bombcore back in?
Daylight dagger can somewhat compare of 1 extra DMG with almost the same delay. That site confirms of a +9 accuracy augment for Fane so far and that beats Daylight in having that effect at all times. I don't care much for Subtle blow.

Edited, Jul 24th 2009 4:33pm by Jevilwolf
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Jevilwolf wrote:
It is garbage as a sub weapon. For main hand, it's still no better than Blau Dolch as well as other high-end daggers.


Wouldn't it have a higher weapon rank than BD with a similar delay?

Or am I wrong about weapon rank being based on DMG before the latent is active?
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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Lobivopis wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
It is garbage as a sub weapon. For main hand, it's still no better than Blau Dolch as well as other high-end daggers.


Wouldn't it have a higher weapon rank than BD with a similar delay?

Or am I wrong about weapon rank being based on DMG before the latent is active?
Sorry? Fane baselard is confirmed to have gotten a +5 DMG augment, making it have 32 DMG main handed with Blau still beating it by 1 DMG with a slight lower delay & latent.

Over the WAR forum, a +6 DMG augment is confirmed. :D Pic. Funny to see Flash as an additional effect.

Edited, Jul 24th 2009 6:26pm by Jevilwolf
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
#17 Jul 24 2009 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lobivopis wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
It is garbage as a sub weapon. For main hand, it's still no better than Blau Dolch as well as other high-end daggers.


Wouldn't it have a higher weapon rank than BD with a similar delay?

Or am I wrong about weapon rank being based on DMG before the latent is active?


weapon rank shouldn't make much difference at all (weapon rank determines fSTR upper and lower caps, and THF rarely caps fSTR despite its low damage weapons because THF doesn't usually wear 110+ STR and such). however, regarding your question, some weapons use pre-latent weapon rank (waghs, blau, onimaru, etc), while some use latent damage to determine weapon rank (destroyers, heart snatcher, etc).

since these +DMG augment weapons just came out, i'd be surprised if any players know whether the +DMG affects weapon rank. need to go hit some wild rabbits and get max damage to see what fSTR cap is, and this figure out weapon rank.
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Actually, it could make a difference. As Thf WS gear at the upper end is primarily heca gear, its rather easy (with good gear) to shoot past the Fstr level in merits and other easier things. Id need to double check, but I believe blaus Fstr cap on birds is 103 (its 103-4, think 3). Whatever the case, im currently +1 str over the cap on Blau/sirocco on solo DE (HH). I drop HH on stacked, and will ultimately get a skadi to make HH mannequin fodder.

I dont have a Nhead and only 2/5 str merits currently and a lolMithra str. If your any other race/HH/Nhead/5str etc, many people are guaranteed to overshoot Fstr cap on daggers on a lot of day-to-day mobs. If i finished my Str merits, id be one over on loibri. If I get Nhead, i have a LOT of str at my disposal. If i were a hum/elvaan/galka id be waay overkill on a huge number of things.

Anyway, long story short. If we get something comparable to blau DPS but say, 1-2 less base damage on WS, the Fstr for some pimped Thfs might make up that 1-2 anyway on all but HNMs making net WS damage the same or improved negating the main/sub issue.

Edited, Jul 24th 2009 8:49pm by Banalaty
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Idc too much about weapon rank but aye my mercy set has +65 str in it; I'm roughly 20 points above fStr cap for g.colibri there. In my evisc set, +35 or about 11 points under. For my weapons at least.
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Banalaty wrote:
Actually, it could make a difference. As Thf WS gear at the upper end is primarily heca gear, its rather easy (with good gear) to shoot past the Fstr level in merits and other easier things. Id need to double check, but I believe blaus Fstr cap on birds is 103 (its 103-4, think 3). Whatever the case, im currently +1 str over the cap on Blau/sirocco on solo DE (HH). I drop HH on stacked, and will ultimately get a skadi to make HH mannequin fodder.

I dont have a Nhead and only 2/5 str merits currently and a lolMithra str. If your any other race/HH/Nhead/5str etc, many people are guaranteed to overshoot Fstr cap on daggers on a lot of day-to-day mobs. If i finished my Str merits, id be one over on loibri. If I get Nhead, i have a LOT of str at my disposal. If i were a hum/elvaan/galka id be waay overkill on a huge number of things.

Anyway, long story short. If we get something comparable to blau DPS but say, 1-2 less base damage on WS, the Fstr for some pimped Thfs might make up that 1-2 anyway on all but HNMs making net WS damage the same or improved negating the main/sub issue.

Edited, Jul 24th 2009 8:49pm by Banalaty
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first of all, blau weapon rank is 2, and the competitors we might imagine are going to be 3, so it's not going to be "1-2 BD" but rather just 1 (unless the competitor is batardeau, p.harpe, or mandau). 9*1=9, 9*2=18, 9*3=27, 9*4=36;;;.

second, 1 higher weapon rank means 1 more base damage when you cap fSTR of course. so, say you're fighting gcolibri and you go from blau's rank2 to hypothetical's rank3. assuming you had DEX and CHR = 60 (to lower base damage and be generous) you'd get at most 1.3% WS DoT from 1 higher weapon rank. stack it with SA or TA and that number plummets.

sure, 1% or < 1% is a difference, but i don't see adding 1% to your WS damage tipping the scales in one of these comparisons.

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by the way, if lobi was asking about blau's weapon rank and i misinterpreted the question, no you're not wrong, blau uses pre-latent weapon rank. if you were asking about the weapon rank of the new weapons like i thought (which in hindsight wouldn't make sense for dagger since the damage will be between 27 and 36 one way or the other), i don't know.
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Oh, i know all that, the 1-2 from blau i meant as the actual base damage difference, not the Fstr diff. Forgot +5 damage was already confirmed so we can at least get D32 to Blau's D33. If by some miracle we got something that competes with blau for TP, the WS -1 damage would be rather irrelivant as we can get the extra Fstr to make it up on WS (assuming weapon rank isnt completely retarded and based on the offhand base D 22 or some ****). Just a hypothetical "if" we found something good out of this for TPing, the -1 damage would be rather moot on WS and shouldn't turn us off to it.

It would be nice if SE ever saw fit to raise our potential and give us something besides Blau/sirocco after all these years. I rather liked the upgrades drg got over the years moving from Ori lance>Mez>Thal>Vfork. Very slight and nothing game breaking, but all pretty accessible and still a uncontested upgrade with each new lance. I love my Blau/Sir, but i would kinda like something besides mandau that is a true upgrade.

*(Pharpe/X's are hardly "upgrades" all around. More like situational HNM gear thats almost or on par with Blau/Sir on everything else. Though X's is very close and hard to measure, but nothing stands above in a significant way until mandau. Not to mention the rediculous effort needed to actually obtain these daggers.)

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One other question which I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere. Is weapon rank on SATA determined by actual weapon damage or by weapon damage + DEX/AGI? (I assume it's just actual weapon damage)

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 5:58am by Lobivopis
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One other question which I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere. Is weapon rank on SATA determined by actual weapon damage or by weapon damage + DEX/AGI? (I assume it's just actual weapon damage)

Edited, Jul 25th 2009 5:49am by Lobivopis


i'm fairly sure it's the actual damage, but this is relatively easy to check by doing SA WS vs wild rabbits with as much STR on as possible. you'd get around 8~ more base damage than expected if weapon rank/fSTR caps were influenced by the DEX.

considering h2h weapon rank ignores our h2h skill and is determined by the +damage on our weapons, i'd be pretty shocked if weapon rank ever looks at anything but weapon damage.
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It would be nice if SE ever saw fit to raise our potential and give us something besides Blau/sirocco after all these years. I rather liked the upgrades drg got over the years moving from Ori lance>Mez>Thal>Vfork. Very slight and nothing game breaking, but all pretty accessible and still a uncontested upgrade with each new lance. I love my Blau/Sir, but i would kinda like something besides mandau that is a true upgrade.


Weapons aren't the problem, it's lack of attack and the resulting inability to reach the full potential of the weapons we already have that are the problem.

SE should give THF a "stance" which grants Attack+10% Evasion -10% DEF-10% and an attack multiplier on critical hits.



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How's this baselard?

for those not wanting to click the link:
augments are dmg+5 acc+10 Triple Attack+1
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How's this baselard?

for those not wanting to click the link:
augments are dmg+5 acc+10 Triple Attack+1


d32, delay 186, ACC+10, TA+1... i'm not going to do any math at the moment, but surely that's better than blau.
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