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#1 Aug 03 2011 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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As of right now my WHM is level 12. I am going /DNC right now just meleeing things to death. But I'm thinking if I get a party invite I might go /BRD. I know its probably not the best but it seems fun and could have some benefits.

What I'm thinking is(for lvl 15-30/40) with /BRD I can have a different playstyle as a healer/buffer. I think I should mention I will have auto refresh from FoV for help with the low MP.

With WHM/BRD I could give +atk, +def, or +acc(at 22) while in battle and use peon when ooc or multi ppl are losing HP.

along with that I would prob be casting cure 1's and regen to keep ppl up.



Now my reason for doing this is because I get super bored being a cure bot and is hoping that by doing it this way I wont want to wipe the party for fun just because im bored out of my mind.


I would like to know what my fellow WHMs think of this idea and if you have any suggestions please feel free.

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I should note that I know as /BRD you can only use one song at a time.
Also if you have any suggetions on must have gear/food please say so.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2011 5:49pm by DjinnRB
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#2 Aug 03 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Now my reason for doing this is because I get super bored being a cure bot


Am wondering why you are leveling WHM of all jobs in that case

But, for doing the kind of thing you're talking about at pre-30 levels, /COR is probably a better choice. The buff lasts longer and it's quicker to put up. The last thing I want in a party is getting killed because the WHM was too busy singing a song.
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Now my reason for doing this is because I get super bored being a cure bot


Am wondering why you are leveling WHM of all jobs in that case

But, for doing the kind of thing you're talking about at pre-30 levels, /COR is probably a better choice. The buff lasts longer and it's quicker to put up. The last thing I want in a party is getting killed because the WHM was too busy singing a song.


That seems like a good idea. I gotta go unlock cor lol. but i wont have the regen and the choices of atk/def/acc at lower levels.

Also im lvling whm as a subjob so 50 max for now.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2011 6:49pm by DjinnRB
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#4 Aug 04 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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really? whm section of alla is dead? shame cuz i know there are good whms who like to help new whms so they dont suck and give them a bad name.
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#5 Aug 04 2011 at 11:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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You may be able to get away with that kind of thing at lower levels when "traditional" subs don't offer you very much you don't already have. Past a certain point, though, other subjobs are much better.

/BRD is usually not a great option because, in addition to only getting one song, your skill, which affects most buffs as well as debuffs, is extremely low due to not having an instrument.

There have always been those rare parties with unconventional setups that were amazing, and you'd fit right in. However, unless you have an exceptional party or several sources of refresh (and 99% of the time you will have niether) , you might have trouble keeping up with your party's MP demands.

Here's a quick comparison of BRD and two common low level subs (BLM, SCH) between levels 1 and 50 (since you are only leveling WHM as a sub) to help you decide:

MP difference: BRD offers the least MP; BLM offers the most. The difference in MP between these two subjobs ranges between 7 and 54 for the first 50 levels.

Spells: I'm guessing you know the BRD spells, since you've considered it already. BLM each come with a few black magic-based enfeebles. SCH doesn't offer many spells WHM doesn't already have that you would actually use at this level.

Traits: BRD gets resist silence. BLM gets conserve MP. SCH has resist silence and conserve MP.

Abilities: BRD and BLM get nothing useful. SCH gets Light/Dark Arts (increases skill and decreases MP cost, casting and recast time for white or black magic while doing the opposite for the other), Penury/Parsimony (reduced MP cost for next spell), and Celerity/Alacrity (reduced casting and recast time for next spell). These traits alone make SCH one of, if not the best subjob for WHM from level 20 onward. The bulkiness of this subjob takes some getting used to, but also might break up the monotony of cure botting.

Personally, my recommendation for parties is /BLM until level 20, and /SCH afterwards. /RDM has its uses after 80, but many people still prefer /SCH. I would too if I could ever be bothered to remake my macros for it. Play around in your teens with funky setups if you want, but in the long run, traditional setups are traditional for a reason.


Edited, Aug 5th 2011 2:07am by RizzoRazzle
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#6 Aug 05 2011 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
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DjinnRB wrote:
really? whm section of alla is dead? shame cuz i know there are good whms who like to help new whms so they dont suck and give them a bad name.


Honestly, I thought you were trolling. Where on earth is it ever acceptable to sub BRD (except by BLMs for procing)? You even have BLU, even that would be better. Just go level a decent subjob (BLM,RDM or SCH) or just not worry about it if you care so little.
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RizzoRazzle wrote:
You may be able to get away with that kind of thing at lower levels when "traditional" subs don't offer you very much you don't already have. Past a certain point, though, other subjobs are much better.

/BRD is usually not a great option because, in addition to only getting one song, your skill, which affects most buffs as well as debuffs, is extremely low due to not having an instrument.

There have always been those rare parties with unconventional setups that were amazing, and you'd fit right in. However, unless you have an exceptional party or several sources of refresh (and 99% of the time you will have niether) , you might have trouble keeping up with your party's MP demands.

Here's a quick comparison of BRD and two common low level subs (BLM, SCH) between levels 1 and 50 (since you are only leveling WHM as a sub) to help you decide:

MP difference: BRD offers the least MP; BLM offers the most. The difference in MP between these two subjobs ranges between 7 and 54 for the first 50 levels.

Spells: I'm guessing you know the BRD spells, since you've considered it already. BLM each come with a few black magic-based enfeebles. SCH doesn't offer many spells WHM doesn't already have that you would actually use at this level.

Traits: BRD gets resist silence. BLM gets conserve MP. SCH has resist silence and conserve MP.

Abilities: BRD and BLM get nothing useful. SCH gets Light/Dark Arts (increases skill and decreases MP cost, casting and recast time for white or black magic while doing the opposite for the other), Penury/Parsimony (reduced MP cost for next spell), and Celerity/Alacrity (reduced casting and recast time for next spell). These traits alone make SCH one of, if not the best subjob for WHM from level 20 onward. The bulkiness of this subjob takes some getting used to, but also might break up the monotony of cure botting.

Personally, my recommendation for parties is /BLM until level 20, and /SCH afterwards. /RDM has its uses after 80, but many people still prefer /SCH. I would too if I could ever be bothered to remake my macros for it. Play around in your teens with funky setups if you want, but in the long run, traditional setups are traditional for a reason.


Edited, Aug 5th 2011 2:07am by RizzoRazzle


thanks bro uve been a great help. now to unlock sch and give it a try lolz

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DjinnRB wrote:
really? whm section of alla is dead? shame cuz i know there are good whms who like to help new whms so they dont suck and give them a bad name.


Honestly, I thought you were trolling. Where on earth is it ever acceptable to sub BRD (except by BLMs for procing)? You even have BLU, even that would be better. Just go level a decent subjob (BLM,RDM or SCH) or just not worry about it if you care so little.


I wasnt looking for acceptable. just trying to see IF it would work like this. id hate just being a cure bot is all im saying. lol
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#8 Aug 05 2011 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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WHM isn't a cure bot for very long. It's only like that in the very beginning, and at that time battles are so volatile that you really should be focused on cure-bombing so things don't get out of hand. If you try to do anything else, disaster could strike while you're occupied.

As you get higher, newer spells are introduced that take away the cure-bombing. You get regens, Haste, Auspice, and various size Cures. As your options increase, it becomes a game of optimization. Things which are more efficient will also be more dangerous, so you start having to balance the two. That's when WHM becomes truly enjoyable rather than, as you said, "cure bot."

Of course, even in higher levels you will still get players who are just cure bots. But honestly... they just suck or aren't trying. If you put passion into the job, you will keep yourself extremely busy.
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#9 Aug 05 2011 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks... I think ima just try everything. I just hate doing that because FFXI takes so long to find partys at low levels and is kinda hard to do trial and error.

altho theres a moogle in selbina where I could just change my subjob to try a few things out. idk... ill figure something out lol
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#10 Aug 05 2011 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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really? whm section of alla is dead? shame cuz i know there are good whms who like to help new whms so they dont suck and give them a bad name.


There isn't really much else to be said. At pre-30 levels your sub just doesn't matter all that much in a party on WHM. It doesn't mean a whole lot for a bunch of other jobs, either.
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really? whm section of alla is dead? shame cuz i know there are good whms who like to help new whms so they dont suck and give them a bad name.


There isn't really much else to be said. At pre-30 levels your sub just doesn't matter all that much in a party on WHM. It doesn't mean a whole lot for a bunch of other jobs, either.


I see where ur coming from. What could really help me out is to get inside the head of really great player. I don't want to be another generic whm who is decent. I want to wow the ppl in my party I want to be the best at what I do. You know what I mean? The /brd thing was just an idea to see what ppl said and I hoped that it would have turned out better. But w/e ill do what ever it takes to be the best even if im only going to 50 with it.
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#12 Aug 06 2011 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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The best thing you can do is: wear a Pilgrim Tunica, Pilgrim's Wand, Mohbwa Sash +1, and Baron's Slops, eat Wizard Cookies, and get refresh from a field manual.

Though honestly there will be a good chance that someone in the group will bring a PL.
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#13 Aug 07 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't want to be another generic whm who is decent. I want to wow the ppl in my party I want to be the best at what I do. You know what I mean?


You will almost never get to be the "wow" factor of the party. More like the neglected stepchild who is only worth mentioning to blame when people die. Ours is a stoic role, not best for those seeking glory in the spotlight.

The game is different from what it was, you should do whatever is fun for you. If someone wants a WHM they wont give a crap your sub. :D

Good luck in your adventures!
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I see where ur coming from. What could really help me out is to get inside the head of really great player. I don't want to be another generic whm who is decent. I want to wow the ppl in my party I want to be the best at what I do. You know what I mean? The /brd thing was just an idea to see what ppl said and I hoped that it would have turned out better. But w/e ill do what ever it takes to be the best even if im only going to 50 with it.

What sets apart a great WHM from the average is not really the sub they use or the equipment they wear, those just help you along the way. What really sets you apart is your timely reaction to situations that arise unexpectedly. It's all about quickly and intuitively grasping the situation every time circumstances change.

For example, maybe the enemy uses an AOE damage+paralyze move. An average WHM will fumble for a second, then go for Curaga, then maybe once they see the "PartyMember is paralyzed" messages they might start casting Paralyna on people. A great WHM will Paralyna before they even do Curaga unless someone is in danger of dying while they handle Paralynas, because with paralyze up it's harder for people to use things like Utsusemi and Third Eye. That's just an example, but you can see how subtle spellcasting order and pure reaction time are often the standard by which a WHM is measured. The ability to quickly remove status ailments is a big piece of that, because average healers tend not to be very good at it.
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Perg has it right. The truly excellent WHM knows more about the monsters you're fighting than anyone else in the party. They know which TP moves are dangerous and which TP moves aren't worth fussing over. They know which moves do damage and which only say they do damage but also inflict status effects. They know any behavioral changes they can expect in the mob's attack pattern as time passes or its HP decreases. They know how much MP they're spending to do the job and how fast, and if they have to potentially let members die because they can't afford to keep healing them while also healing the more vital party members. In short, a truly excellent WHM commands the battle when nobody else will - if your WHM tells you to get out of AoE range, and you don't, you might be hitting the ground very quickly.

At least, that's how I remember it from the ol' Salvage boss days. Nowadays you have infinite MP lol so just whatever lol. lol.
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