Conserve MP calculation time?Follow

I saw the same thing a while ago. I'm pretty puzzled by it too and would definitely like to see some confirmation.

Honestly, it doesn't immediately make sense to me that cMP should work like that, but I've generally given it the benefit of the doubt and incorporated some into my pre-casting gear on my jobs -- not replacing other things, just adding it in as a "why not? If it works, it works; if not, it's not hurting anything".

Still, it's a pretty big claim that should really be fleshed out...

Just so you know, CMP+25 is only a 25% chance of activation. Going 15 times without a proc wouldn't be totally unheard of. I'm not sure why you were expecting 11 procs >_>

Also, I see some heehaw added in a note about how it's "technically" possible to have CMP make a spell cost zero MP if it happens along with Penury/Parsimony. This is absolutely false; they are treated as separate reductions (Penury could reduce a 100 MP spell down to 50, and then CMP could proc and possibly cut that in half again to 25). I'll be editing that bit out soon.

Edited, Sep 4th 2010 11:06am by Fynlar

I missed the critical word, "each Reraise"

That makes more sense now >_> Ignore me

I had always assumed it procs when you finish casting as well. It's totally logical, based on when other stats are calculated. I see no reason to test it, by process of elimination we've established that it must happen at the time you finish casting. Aside from PreCast, there's no other time it could be calculated.

As far as usefulness, I am still totally in love with CMP and use as much as I can. However, other stats such as cure potency take precedence. For example, my default MidCast swap for WHM loads me up primarily with haste & CMP gear with a dash of enmity down, giving CMP+28 for a 53% activation rate. I use this set for casting spells like Haste, Protect/Shell, Raise, etc. It's definitely a huge factor in my longevity as a WHM. I use a similar set for Regens, swapping Goliard Saio for Cleric's Briault of course. Cures are farther from this than most sets, in order to obtain a bunch of Cure Potency. My Cure sets have CMP+16 for a 41% activation rate (Selenian Cap, Magnetic Earring, Austerity Belt).

Uh, that's because neither Warp nor Teleports are instant. The game takes about 2-3 seconds after the actual casting is finished to actually zone you. This is meant to allow the animation to finish, and it's long enough to do near-instant actions like using a JA.

This Conserve MP thing is bugging the hell out of me now. I always assumed it was calculated at finish... until about 6 months ago when it was brought to my attention that it was at start of casting. I spent hours completely revamping my WHM and RDM macros to accommodate. Now it's being said that it's at finish again?

I think I'll do some testing when I have a chance. No offense to you, Pergatory, or your testing; I want to see this with my own eyes.

Edited, Sep 12th 2010 5:07pm by chewzer

It looks like the same person added the bits about conserve in combination with other reductions and the mid-cast stuff. Didn't put in any comments in the edit summary or on the talk page. The only reason I've hesitated to rip that crap out myself is that I haven't personally tested it to verify that it's wrong.

I do the same trick, except that I wait until I see the BLM's mp go down from the warp. Like drakonite said, it's not instant. Warp has been cast - you just haven't left yet.

Also, due to latency, just about anything you see happening on your screen (your own movement is a notable exception) has already occurred on the server. This is why, for example, you can start moving just before a nuke fires without interrupting. In actuality, the nuke has already fired - or will fire before the server gets the message that you started to move. Your client just doesn't know it yet.