A guide to soloing merits on WHM? At 3-4k/hr?!Follow

Thought I'd share, but I can see that my ideas are not welcome or appreciated on here.

I'm not even going to bother posting some recent screenshots of staff/club damage. All I'll say is that it was damn close. Believe me or not, I don't give a crap.




Edited, Apr 17th 2010 12:41am by Seuca

Yeah your charm ability is based on your uncapped BST level, so if you have BST at 75 and go WHM/BST, you can charm things up to what a BST 75 could charm. If you have BST at 37 and try to charm Flamingos in Sky, I believe you will have a surprise in store, in the form of a very pissed off Flamingo. So you really need BST at 75 for this to work I think.

I'm curious, why would you use Staff over club? I'm pretty sure both Hexa and Mystic boon outperforms Retribution and Spirit taker on their respective fields. Not to mention the enormous skill difference, and that lower-delay clubs benefit more from Auspice's Enlight.

Besides, you could use Genbu's with the club; which is kinda nice.

Like I said, Mystic boon is better than Spirit taker for that.

And Brise-os isn't the best DPS club, far from it. Perdu still has better raw DPS. And if you have it, I'm sure a DMG+15 Culacula would be even better.

Yes, Kinkobo is an awesome weapon by itself; but it still suffers from being a staff. All the good things from it are easily offset by the craptacular weaponskills available. Crit+5% and some extra DPS can not offset retribution doing half the damage Hexa can; on top of the lower skill and lack of a shield.
This is not even mentioning that you can't use attack food on kinkobo, for even less attack when compared to a club.

I'm sure there are way more people with Mystic Boon than there are with access to /BST. I'd even daresay that having retribution is becoming even rarer than having Mystic; so yeah.

Quite mature of you. People disagree with your ideas, so you take your ball and go home.

By and large, the vast majority of responses were polite, though they disagreed with your conclusions. I'm sorry, but you need to learn to accept CONSTRUCTIVE criticism for what it is. Not as a personal attack.

Probably, but I wasn't really trying to make a comparison there. To be honest, I hadn't even read the entire OP fully.

Looks like I won't get the chance to, either!

Mystic has better mobs than Spirit taker. WHM's have more Club skill than staff skill, and tend to merit Club as well. The only thing that Spirit taker has over Mystic Boon is a higher damage weapon (Usually a D:29 difference).

Basically, you can gear yourself where Mystic is doing the same or at least closely enough as Spirit taker thanks to the 30% STR mod instead of 50%INT (STR is adding double bonuses for MB); and the new D:57 Culacula (Only a 11 damage difference now).
This is of course just for WS damage. Clubs will usually generate more Weaponskills over Staff due to the Skill difference; and needing slightly less upkeep thanks to Genbu's shield.

Besides, Club Merits and/or the new Double Attack clubs completely move the scale in favor of Mystic Boon. Might not be doing more; but they will fire off much more often due to better skill and WS frequency.

So really, there are not many situations where Kinkobo shines over clubs. I'd really only bust it out for fighting DC mobs or below; but if I was doing that I might as well just be looking to do more damage.



Edited, Apr 20th 2010 12:47pm by Drakonite

More or less Correct. Diff should be of 9.15~ on a hume with 57Dex but only without club merits. This grows to around 23.5 with merits.



Yes and no. 30%STR mod and 50%INT mod are kinda funky when compared. STR should technically be better; but my rough calculations have me needing a bit too much STR to offset the INT modifier (Having higher INT doesn't help either). So while 30%STR should eventually pull ahead thanks to fSTR; I couldn´t get any realistic number (Or maybe my math is just off).

However; none of this takes into account Attack. I am unsure of Spirit; but I do know attack affects MB greatly. MB will naturally have at least 11 Attack over Spirit without merits. However, here is where Kinkobo´s glaring flaw shows: It needs a Pamama to work. So if we assume a cheap mithkabob for MB; it is 71 Attack and 8 STR ahead of Spirit (Due to -3 on Pamama).

So now the question is: Does spirit taker get any kind of attack bonus like some of the 1-hit WS's? My guess is no, but I really haven't played with it on anything higher than DC to be sure. If it does, I'll declare it superior and move on.
However, if it doesn't and relies on attack just as much as MB; then this raises the question of whether 71Attack and 8 STR can outweigh 11 Damage difference (Signs point to yes).