Curaga IV more useful now?Follow

I don't think the amount we can cure with that is going to change all that much (unless a whole sh*tload of new cure potency gear gets released), but there is still the possibility of receiving Cure 6 and Curaga 5, so...

The real insane stuff is Accession Stoneskin, or Convert and Refresh, which are at level 40. Also SCH gets Accession Haste possibly. Either way, I think BLM/RDM just got fixed.

The thing is, we have a little less to worry about with AoEing things:

* -nas - Anything that can be taken off with non-Misery Esuna doesn't need Accession.
* Haste - I'm slightly worried that Haste will end up on the same list as Raise/Reraise: "can't use with Accession".
* Protect/Shell/Cure - We already have AoE versions for cheaper than Accession would give them.

Accession basically goes on Stoneskin and, if they allow it, Haste. And Stona.

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As far as /SCH vs. /RDM at 80+, I'm leaning towards it still being firmly in /SCH's camp (well, until 96, at which point every mage gets replaced with SCH/RDM, and you'll want to get your club and/or staff capped for WHM/NIN or WHM/SAM).

Granted, this is all assuming that a couple of specific from-sub nerfs that I'm expecting happen:

* Accession/Manifestation have cast time/MP cost multipliers of 3 from sub instead of 2 on SCH main;
* Convert's return is half strength.

Probably not, so expect Reposega (and possibly Repose II, to go along with BLM and RDM possibly getting Sleep III) to crop up post-75.

Not due for the fifth charge until 90, which is still a charge every 48 seconds.

Cure VI makes sense if they pass Cure V around to RDM and possibly SCH as well - they'd adjust Cure V's formula and enmity, and make Cure VI the new "low-hate" cure.

SCH is likely to get Raise 3 towards the high 90s, and RDM is likely to get Raise 2 in the mid-80s (assuming the 1.4x/1.5x level multipliers continue for SCH and RDM for raises). As a result, we're likely to see at least Raise IV, which will either have no EXP loss or reduced weakness. (We might even see Raise V, which I'd expect to have no weakness.)

Auto-refresh would be nice (55?), as would Osmose; an additional charge is unlikely, though. A second set of stances at 80, or job traits that enhance the existing stances at 80, probably isn't unlikely.

Also, Holy II is going to be probably the most MP-efficient nuke in the game assuming it's added, especially if it's capable of ramping up further than Holy is...

Uh oh, I just detected a problem in the Party food chain now.

Everyone gets Haste/Hastega now; so we're all even on that part (WHM RDM SCH SMN). But of those 4, WHM now has the least to offer to a "Merit" party.

Why? Because both RDM/SCH, SCH/RDM and SMN/Whatever can now offer -ga Enspells. RDM's are probably going to be king on that now (Dia III+Enspells II-ga), with SCH's closely behind (Enspells+Storms). And SMN's will be more capable of keeping the strong parties alive with Cure IV fully accessible. So this leaves us as third/fourth option at best =x

Anyways, thing's I'm expecting to see in 24 more levels of WHM:

- Magic Defense Bonus V at level 90 (18MDB). It follows the thrend of every 20, and the last was at 70.

- Clear Mind V at level 80, Clear Mind VI at level 95. (Again, trends in traits). The only job likely to get Clear Mind VII is SMN (BLM will get VI at 90).

- Banish IV, Banishga III. They where even hinted at and are the obvious upgrade.

- Holy II? Could be a possibility.

- Raise/Reraise IV

- Cure VI, Curaga V. Hopefully this will be something more than just "Even more HP!". They could add all kind of nice things to it. Maybe make it cost less MP, make it insta-cast, anything.

- Reposega?

- New tier of Protect/Shells? It feels odd that there would be no more in 24 levels; altho I'm unsure of how they'd work given we have the V's as merit spells.

Things I'd like to see:

- Haste II. Since the trademark be-all-end-all spell is now subable to everyone. I'd like at least some distinction. RDM's are requesting Refresh II, so Haste II seems fit for us. Maybe even add the -ga Version somewhere (WHM mobs can use Hastega, I've seen it!)

That, or give us Auspice II or something. Allow us to give the Enlight to everyone. Again, purely to remain competent in our new age of Convert/Haste-gaing overlords.

- Barspells II. Or maybe those double element spells in the .dat's. (Barignis, Baraer, Barterra, Baraqua).



Edited, Feb 28th 2010 11:46pm by Drakonite

If haste II is added, I'm doubtful that it will add very much potency considering how broken it could potentially become. They could increase the duration or give us hastega instead, and I would be pretty excited.

I'm half expecting them to change the formula of haste to depend on enhancing skill so melees won't be able to give themselves a full 15%, or at least not for a full 3 minutes. On the other hand they might just gimp it while subbed, which would keep scholars in their current place as far as xp parties go.

If they want to add more tiers to protect and shell, they'd have to change our group 2 merits to something else, like maybe protect/shell potency. Other SE games have had buffs like safe, wall, reflect, shield, and mighty guard, so maybe we'll get a version of one of those, instead.

I personally use to use curaga IV constantly>.> Massive AoE in dynamis? Rail cannon spam in salvage? Incoming Curaga IV. So long as you know where you hate is about you can use it a lot more then what I've seen other WHMs use it.


Plus it gives me an excuse to type out(Since I don't macro spells on whm):

"Please come feel my healing balls."

As far as refresh 2, it was pretty much said in the interview, don't have a link, but its mentioned.

Curaga 4 can be very useful, its just lett useful in a conventional party. Nyzul, Dyna, Salvage i have used it in all these Situations.

Ever done a Mnk, Mnk, Mnk, Mnk Pld, Whm party? You'll use curaga 4 every so often.

It is about the only time i also say anything while curing. I don't have a marco, i just say Pulling hate, keep me alive XD.

If you cire for 800 with cure 5, thats how much your Ciraga 4 will cure everyone, and as a taru whm, i am typically the only one who it overcures, but when im in Dyna in a party of 5 melee and myself, I'll sometimes have to Dis Seal it to cap everyone off.

I used to have the High HP melees, the Galka melees, the Elvaan Mnks etc in my party cause i was good at tossing out the big cures and not getting slaughtered right after.

All that interview says though is that Matsui would like to see a stronger form of Refresh added, but that's still leaving the possibility of it not being added. The poster I quoted said it like it was stated fact that Red Mages absolutely would be getting it, whereas the actual interview suggested that, while likely that it will be, it's not absolute that they will.

As I said before, while I'll admit that there's a possibility of them adding it, right now there's nothing in any form that's firmly cementing the fact that they will.

Edited, Mar 4th 2010 11:13pm by Vlorsutes

A lot of what they announced at Vanafest (short of what they've announced on the main POL site, and even that was stated to be subject to change) are just what they're thinking of adding later on, not what they've dead set on deciding to add. Look at the past Ranger update to where they initially planned on Rangers generating less enmity the farther they are from the mob, and then they decided to not adding it at the last minute. I'm not trying to be a buzz kill and shooting down all the possibilities there are, it's just that when it comes to updates, it's best not to count all our chickens before they hatch.

Enspell IIs use the old macc formula so I doubt any intelligent RDM would ever cast those on PT members(uses your enhancing skill on hit instead of on cast). On the other hand, maybe this will get SE to finally realize the @#%^ed up Enspell IIs.

Moved this to a diff thread

Edited, Mar 5th 2010 3:55pm by eldelphia