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#1 Feb 22 2010 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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I've not really used my whm much in a very, very long time.

Having decided to give it a going over once more I realised I need to finish off my merits. Currently I have maxed Cure Cast Time, 2 in Bar Spell, 1 in Devotion and 2 in Shellra V.

I don't mind dropping a few and moving them around getting merits isn't the problem. In case it matters I also don't have /SCH at the moment but that can be easily fixed.
#2 Feb 22 2010 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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Cap Shellra V because it really is incredible. Then after that it's up to you. Personally I find Barspells absolutely godly but other people swear by Regen.

This is what I did:

Shellra V 5/5 - it's much harder to improve magical defence than physical and in some fights at endgame this can make all the difference

Cure Casting 5/5

Barspells 5/5 - I use them constantly and they make a difference. Most likely to get you into a tank party. Nice with Afflatus Solace etc and the improved enhancing skill from /SCH

Martyr 1/5 - it's a useful 'o-sh*t' tool

Devotion 3/5 - constantly useful when in parties with other mages but fantastic for PLDs and NIN/DRKs too

Protectra V
1/5

You could probably skip Prot and Martyr if you wanted to and just cap Devotion. I find Martyr more useful than Prot V

And you'll love /SCH, it really is amazing.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2010 11:00am by eldelphia

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#3 Feb 22 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I pretty much agree from everything said above, except I went with Regen.
However, that's a personal choice made back when people had no idea what Barspell merits actually did. Would I do barspells now if I had the chance? Eh, I have no idea, but I'm not changing it now.

Shellra V is the most important thing you can get at the momment, followed in short order by Devotion. Protectra V and Martyr are probably worth at least one merit (I put a merit in each myself), as you usually won't need to use Devotion as often as every 10 minutes (at least in my experience with it at 5/5 for awhile).

Admittedly, I mainly got Protectra V for the 3-D dimondy sparkly factor, but the 5 defense doesn't hurt either.
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#4 Feb 22 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Similarly what others have said, put the majority of tier 2 into Devotion and Shellra 5, if you want, 1 in martyr and Protectra 5.

As for tier 1, its a but more based on the person.
Your main useful choices however are Barspells, Regen and Cure cast times.

I personally have a Mix of the 3, but im also not dome meriting yet.

My main 2 im focusing on however are Regen and Barspell. Each Regen Merit tacks on 20 Hp to each Regen. If you use regens often, this is wonderful. Pair this with Clerics Briault which also boosts Regens and you can gave some very Efficient Healing over time.

Regen 1 is 5 Hp a tick, 2 is 12, 3 is 20. With Clerics Briault regen 1 is 6, 2 is 14 and 3 is 23. Not Put 4 merits into Regen and you have Regen 1 of 10 Hp a tick, regen 2 at 18 and regen 3 at 27.

Now add on Scholar sub for the 10% spell cost reduction and these spells get Very efficient.

Barspells are similarly important. Much more important if you do events then if you are just meriting however.

For things like Dynamis or Nyzul Isle, a potent barspell can halp you resist some effects. Like if you pair Baraera and Barsilencera with Whm AF2 Legs and a few barspell merits, you can have a barspell potancy of about 120 (and thats not factoring in enh skill +) I have had several Silences resisted like this. Or similarly barstonra and Barpetra and ive resisted Breakga 4 times in a row.

Since Cure casttime is in Tiers, you need to somewhat know how close to the next tier you are for them to make a difference. Also having Cure Clogs helps a lot with this, since they are a 15% cast time down. I don't know the exact cutoffs, but if i remember right it comes down to 1 merit will not make a difference, you'd need to do 2 before you see anything, again, im not sure, but im just useing this as an example.

As bar as banish effect, sadly while its amazing on the undead, you'll rarely make any real use for it.

Divine Seal recast is not Bad, but at only 20 seconds a Merit, there are better things to put merits into.

Again, these are just my opinions, read what everyone has to say and decide from there. Ultimatly, it will be up to you, and your playstyle. And you can also take some away and play around with them, they are not perminent, which is nice.
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#5 Feb 22 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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Getting /SCH done will improve your WHM more than any merits will.

But yeah...

5/5 Cure cast time
5/5 Barspells if you plan to make WHM an endgamer, otherwise 5/5 Regen will probably be more useful

5/5 Shellra
1/5 Protectra and Martyr if you want to have them unlocked
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#6 Feb 22 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mines pretty much what the above said ^^ I went with barspells though despite my endgames are only like sky and dynamis...
And with the tier 2's i still haven't completed (I'm a lazy bum :< ) But i was thinking of going
1/5 Protectra V
4(5)/5 Devotion
4(5)/5 Shellra V
I'm still unsure on which one to make 5/5 because i.. don't really know which one :S . . . Good chances are shellra'll be 5/5 though.
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#7 Feb 25 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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dmhlucky wrote:
Since Cure casttime is in Tiers, you need to somewhat know how close to the next tier you are for them to make a difference. Also having Cure Clogs helps a lot with this, since they are a 15% cast time down. I don't know the exact cutoffs, but if i remember right it comes down to 1 merit will not make a difference, you'd need to do 2 before you see anything, again, im not sure, but im just useing this as an example.


This isn't entirely a settled matter, as the tier effects were first demonstrated by counting rendered frames, which may have introduced a temporal aliasing effect. It is entirely possible that there could be a smooth reduction in cast times as far as the SE server goes.

dmhlucky wrote:
As bar as banish effect, sadly while its amazing on the undead, you'll rarely make any real use for it.


The additional effect from Banish is very much under-appreciated, but that's how it goes. There is some banish-enhancing gear like Fernian Ring and Cleric's Mitts, but their bonuses aren't much sought after, thanks to how rarely it becomes useful.

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The additional effect from Banish is very much under-appreciated, but that's how it goes. There is some banish-enhancing gear like Fernian Ring and Cleric's Mitts, but their bonuses aren't much sought after, thanks to how rarely it becomes useful.


Because Banish 3 already practically negates the weapon resistances anyway without needing to gear for it.
#9 Feb 26 2010 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I have 5/5 Cure Cast, 5/5 Regen, 5/5 Shellra V, 1 Protectra V, 4/5 Devotion.

My events and playstyle make Regen a better choice than Barspells for me. Martyr is also a good choice, though I chose not to unlock it.

Overall, cap Cure cast, cap Shellra V, and the rest is dependent on you.
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#10 Feb 27 2010 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
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Umm, what the ****.

Last I checked, -cure casting time capped at 35%, so light arts + cure clogs + 3 merits will cap you. Anymore than that is pointless.

Cap bar spells unless your idea of endgame are WSNMs.

Regen 2/5


Do not get Protectra V, it's a complete waste. An extra 5 def isn't going to do jack squat for you.

Get a few HP pieces and cap out Devotion 5/5. Your PLD will love you for it; unless he's a failPLD who sits on his MP. I can provide 387MP every 10 minutes to my PLD.

5/5 on Shellra V is a must.

Martyr is lol.



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#11 Feb 28 2010 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Jayjs wrote:
Martyr is lol.
I'm content with having it unlocked at 1/5. I don't ever see myself putting more into it, but for the few times I've needed to use it in a pinch I've been glad I had it.

Jayjs wrote:
Last I checked, -cure casting time capped at 35%, so light arts + cure clogs + 3 merits will cap you.
Nope, you can get to 50%. Yes, I already know about the 'tiers'.

Edited, Feb 28th 2010 2:10am by bsphil
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#12 Feb 28 2010 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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As long as you max Shellra and never put more than one point in Martyr and Protectra, you can't really go wrong with WHM merits.

Personally I never felt any pressing need to max Devotion, because all too often I'm the party's only MP user.
#13 Feb 28 2010 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I won't argue about how you should merit your WHM, but speaking as one of my LS's main WHM, I can tell you that between my Devotion and Chivalry, as well as refresh/ballad/etc, my PLDs are allowed to go all out and never have to hold back out of fear of running out of mp. This directly leads to a safer, smoother fight for everyone. I really can't emphasis enough the importance of this ability as well as a few HP pieces. If you don't do many MP-intensive fights, then it's all fair. Future WHMs who do see themselves in more endgame environments really would want to consider my advice.

As far as the -cure casting time being capped at 50%, I will be more than willing to remove my regen merits and place them in additional -cure casting time merits.
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#14 Feb 28 2010 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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My goals for group 2 merits are:

1/5 Martyr
4/5 Devotion
5/5 Shellra V

But meriting BRD is slow enough as is. I still need like, 50 merit points to cap out all the stuff I still want to add.
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