anyone ever whm/dnc front line?Follow

I tried it. I was not able to recover mp through aspir samba fast enough to make it worthwhile to come off the back line where I could heal mp back.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2009 11:31am by Thydonon

With Aspir Samba, Mystic Boon, and the MP you save via waltzes, it probably would surpass /SCH in terms of MP conservation... IF you have a good enough melee equip set to get the hitrate to make up for the loss of Sublimation and Light Arts. Haven't tried it myself, but it sounds pretty fun.

I guess you would make your Dark Knights or Blue Mages happy, though. Good luck convincing the rest of the party, though. XD

edit: me grammar bad

edit again: The more I think about it, the more it sounds like a bad idea. Some 'regular' melee jobs have a hard enough time reaching the 95% accuracy rate on Greater Colibri. I think a WHM is going to whiff waaaaaaaay too much for it to be even close to worthwhile.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2009 3:18pm by chewzer

Using Waltzes is actually worse than simply saving TP for Mystic and using that MP to cure.

Let's grab a 150 Mystic as our base. A Waltz II would slow down your next mystic by 35TP and cure 170ish(Base) TP. Using our 150 base: this is costing you 52MP; which would be a Cure 3 for ~190(Base) and 6 extra MP.

And aspir samba won't outweigh Sublimation at all. Not to mention Aspir Samba is unusable with Auspice (No Accu/Enlight if you use it). All of this on top of losing Light Arts's bonuses, Penury, and Aspir.

All in all, /SCH + Mystic looks like a much better "Melee Healer" than /DNC with Waltzes/Sambas.



Edited, Aug 23rd 2009 11:57pm by Drakonite

I thought, and I may be wrong here, that the only players that get the en-light effect from auspice are white mages who have misery up.

I don't even have my whm up to 55 yet to get the spell, so I am by no means certain of this.

True, but a portion of the point whm/dnc is for the self-refresh from Aspir Samba. While other party members are gaining the effect of the samba, you aren't.



The whole party gets Subtle Blow. Auspice only grants the enlight and accuracy buff to a WHM in Afflatus: Misery.

From personal experience, WHM/DNC works - sort of. Pre-75. If you're earning the TP and have a decent enough Refresh (either through buffs or through accuracy and aspir), then yes, /DNC can supplement your healing with TP, whil saving your MP for Hastes and Cure Vs.

Mystic Boon changes the numbers, however.

Assuming Hume WHM75/DNC37, nekkid but for a Darksteel Maul:
VIT62 MND68 CHA69* Healing Skill 276
assume self-target - difference will emerge on pld, drk, sam, war

Cure III: 46mp, 194hp, 4.2h/m
Curing Waltz II: 35tp, 162hp, 4.62h/m**

Curing Waltz, straight on, is barely more efficient per point, and holds true as long as your Mystic Boon return is less than 1mp per tp - i.e. if your average Boon over parse is less than 100 dmg. The break point, if I've got the math anywhere near correct, is if your Boons are reliably doing 110 damage or more. In that case, saving the TP for MP (to heal HP) appears to be more efficient.

*numbers taken from Furen's Cure Calc and FFXI Stat Calculator - I'm a Linguistics person. Math isn't always my strongest suit, so correct at will.

**EDIT: Drakonite caught a complete math fail on my part.

Edited, Aug 30th 2009 1:15pm by kasandaro

I've found Whm/Dnc is great for one specific situation, duoing with a dragoon. In this situation Drg curing efficiency murders ours, so whm is relagated to a support role, focusing on aspir samba, buffing, and debuffing, while the Drg handles cures and the vast majority of the damage dealt. We were in the Fowling Earring NM's camp in Wajoam woodlands, and were easily outkilling repops, had we been at leypoint the two of us would have easily chained endlessly. The only break we had was when Fowling Earring NM popped, and I changed to Paladin to kill it, then it was back to lesser birds and level sync.

Far as regular parties go, Its worth considering if you're in a fast-paced, refresh stacked party, otherwise we just spend too much time sitting in hMP gear. I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking to /Sch, possibly /Nin at 75 for mystic boon spam with prudence wand.

/Edit: Subjob clarified

Edited, Oct 2nd 2009 12:06am by pieceofsoap

Not to be anal retentive, but WHM/SCH does not have aspir samba. Did you mean WHM/DNC?

Whoops, yes, I meant Whm/Dnc.