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#1 Aug 06 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello fellow white mages,

I am starting to level white mage which I find is a very fun job to level for me considering I have already leveled red mage and really enjoy curing. The problem I am having is I keep getting invites only to watch 1-2 pt members complain about no refresh and how slow and crappy xp is going to be before we even get started. Now this is not the first time I have had to sit and watch pt members complain, but it is the first time I have taken SS of it because it is getting out of hand.

I don't know about most WHMs but I am very good at maintaining my mp, and usually have little to no problems at all. I am only level 59 so far so I was just curious if this is something I am going to have to expect to see throughout my leveling experience on whm and if anyone else has had to endure this?

pt setup was blu, pld, drk, rng, whm, sam(?) can't remember last one. However, drk was leader and I was 3rd to be added to pt after the pld.

Some SS of the pt I just left before even starting, pt was 6/6 and we were on our way to camp when I disbanded:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/thepoofinator/pol2009-08-0614-32-38-80.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/thepoofinator/pol2009-08-0614-32-58-52.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/thepoofinator/pol2009-08-0614-33-10-84.jpg


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#2 Aug 06 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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Well, to be fair, Refresh would have benefited that particular party setup a whole lot. I don't think they were commenting on no Refresh hurting you so much as the PLD or BLU, who need it more than WHM since they are fighting and thus cannot rest.

They were still being crybabies though.
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#3 Aug 06 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Regular lolibri @ 59 without a BRD or COR is going to suck no matter what, and quite possibly would have sucked anyway even with those.

Colibri in Bhaflau are level 71-73, so that's 12-14 levels over your party. Woulda been a whiff fest.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 4:15pm by Fynlar
#4 Aug 06 2009 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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hey they where not being mean about it /They where trying to not over hunt because you where 59 and Colibri would be slow and risky. Even with a ideal setup with a BRD or COR i'd fight them 61-56. Your setup would have been fine if you where level 62 or synced down to 55 lesser colibri
#5 Aug 06 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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why not sub brd?

i know its different but when i was leveling rdm and didnt need /whm for -na spells i would /brd for extra refresh.
#6 Aug 06 2009 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I was just suprised by the sheer rudeness of the ranger. She was not being very kind on the subject. She was the only one to come off as rude while the others seemed more polite about it. She came into the party and practically took the whole thing over. They actually gave her leader after I left and she got them a ranger. The Blue Mage was invited to the party a little while after me so I am somewhat confused as to why he would get a blue mage when he had a White Mage healer.

I guess I just wish people would voice their concerns privately to the leader rather than openly in the party chat where I sit uncomfortably feeling as though it is my fault.I always think must leave so that they may have their ideal party set up or I may get kicked. I feel as though I am taking over the spot of the job they would really prefer to have and it makes me feel guilty when I see them complaining like that infront of me.

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why not sub brd?

i know its different but when i was leveling rdm and didnt need /whm for -na spells i would /brd for extra refresh.


I never actually thought of that. In that party setup that may have been a decent idea. Thank You. I usually have just been subbing summoner to give myself and additional 1mp/tick refresh and a boost to my mp pool.
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#7 Aug 06 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I may have overreacted after all. It's just disheartening watching people argue about having no refresh in half the party's I get invited to before we start.
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#8 Aug 06 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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I guess I just wish people would voice their concerns privately to the leader rather than openly in the party chat where I sit uncomfortably feeling as though it is my fault.


Only the leader is to blame for this kind of thing, whether it's building an non-cohesive party, or overhunting for a camp just because it's lolibri.
#9NakoGhost, Posted: Aug 07 2009 at 6:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nope, Greater Colibri in Bhaflau are 73-75. The regular Colibri at the tower he was refering to are 60-65. Either way not a great plan for 59, especially with no Refresh for this setup.
#10 Aug 07 2009 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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Poofykitty wrote:
Some SS of the pt I just left before even starting, pt was 6/6 and we were on our way to camp when I disbanded:


You need to point out to them how soft and floofy you are, and how much better it is than having a non-floofy mage.

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#11 Aug 07 2009 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Nope, Greater Colibri in Bhaflau are 73-75. The regular Colibri at the tower he was refering to are 60-65. Either way not a great plan for 59, especially with no Refresh for this setup.


Uhh, no.

You might wanna recheck your mob levels there, bub.
#12 Aug 07 2009 at 10:09 PM Rating: Default
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Fynlar is referring to the actual MOB level
Nakoghost is referring to the level pt's fight MOBs at

they are both correct
(or both wrong use units next time ;p /s)
#13 Aug 07 2009 at 11:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Colibri in Bhaflau are level 71-73, so that's 12-14 levels over your party.

I figured I was being pretty clear.
#14 Aug 09 2009 at 12:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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After the RNG showed their idiocy, here was the reply to send.

>> Well, it's a good thing PLD has Auto-refresh and Sanction refresh. I bet he can even use Juices if MP is ever an issue.

RNG>> lol juice tht costs 2 much

>> Well, I realize that shooting Iron Arrows must get expensive for you, but not everyone's too stupid to know how to farm a bit before a party.

Remeber to point out that it's easier to drop a DD for a new one, than it is to grab all those available refreshers out there.
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#15 Aug 09 2009 at 12:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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stuff like that make me sad. you did nothing wrong Poofykitty it just that guy and alot others are VERY picky about pt set ups and close minded. with Sanction + gear refresh= most can get up to 3/tick but they want more. the set up i see in your pt is fine. but it not always about the set up. it about if that player is skilled with his or her job & to have fun doing it.

i did a 5 nin and i was whm back then in Ro'Maeve on Weapons. any many other set up without refresh and was only mage most time etc. was great and was fun. but anyways it 2009 and alot people only pt with cor brd rdm sam war on pink birds. i sure miss the good O times lol.
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#16 Aug 09 2009 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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i sure miss the good O times lol.


I sure don't. I can't imagine having the patience to cap merits for 4 jobs on Aura weapons.

Edited, Aug 9th 2009 8:46am by ChronoDragoon
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#17 Aug 15 2009 at 2:44 AM Rating: Good
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I miss the good ole days of exping on Toramas where I would race the other mages to get Silena and Paralyna on the tanks.
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#18 Aug 20 2009 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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Other solution is just to level cooking to a decent level for juices. I did so without even losing money by buying from vendors and farming crystals and you actually profit if you sell your sythn. back to vendors. However, since you will be using it for parties you will only lose a little bit of money. A small price to pay to level up though.
#19 Sep 29 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm in kind of an awkward spot myself, as a DD almost all the good tanks I've had over the years have been Paladins. Good Ninja were hard enough to come by before the 2hander update, let alone these days. As I was leveling Paladin, it became incredibly apparent just how much the job relies on Refresh, a good Pld is turning every scrap of MP they have into hate, often doing just as much, if not more curing than anyone else in the party. Both as a Scholar and now as White Mage I simply cant support Paladin MP pool like a Rdm can, and its a bit frustrating to me.

Theres workarounds of course, one of the best parties I've had on paladin had me main tanking as Pld/Dnc with a Puppetmaster as the only source of backup healing. The problem often comes down to breaking past your party's close mindedness.

As for the OP's party, I would probably have tried to get the Blue Mage to /Dnc for his and the Pld's sake, failing that Pld/Dnc and /Nin for the other DDs, failing that I wouldn't be offended by people refusing a totally refreshless party.
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#20 Sep 29 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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That really stinks, Poofykitty. And although they never directly said that WHM was inferior, the RNG certainly didn't go out of her way to make you feel like you were welcome in that party.

I think you made the right decision...because you know that the RNG would have kept complaining until she left and you'd be stuck at camp waiting for a Rep to arrive or worse seeing the party dissolve before your eyes.

I hate to say it but it almost doesn't pay off to party with anyone except LS mates or friends anymore. Or just start your own party and make it clear that you are the leader and not bossy RNG lady. If a DD threatened to leave if I didn't find a Refresher (at least at pre-merit levels), I'd be like "Goodbye!" then "Remove Party Member" and then "sea all inv 40-74" followed by "Hello! New DD who better **** well not complain about Refresh".

But I'm kinda evil like that.
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#21 Oct 15 2009 at 3:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally I'd have given the party a shot. Exp is Exp.. but as a seasoned WHM I know that invites start to dry up in ToA because "cannon" parties destroy TNLs.

Cannon = Brd or Cor + RDM + 4 DD~. WHM is less favorable because they can't self refresh until they get Sublimation from sub, and it's still not as good. That and /sch as a sub is still somewhat recent, people haven't adjusted to the fact that we don't really suck that much now.

It looked like a terrible setup but I've had worse. I got invited to an endgame shell once after doing an Eruca party with its members as the only mage and with no support, and doing it flawlessly =D Was just a LS pt with a random assortment of jobs assembled for lulz, and I'm sure they were expecting me to ***** up a storm. Somehow in retrospect I think I was meant to be the **** of a joke but they failed to deliver the punchline because well.. I rock ^_^

As bad as some party setups are, and as mad as they might make you, remember that people who get snobby about setups and leave (who aren't BRD or SAM) develop a reputation of their own.. And I mean.. c'mon.. it's fun to take a break from the usual grind and just let loose in a noob setup. Memories > EXP, and this game is supposed to be about having fun right?

*Edit* Also, just a knitpick:

You're 2~ levels over decent xp on Lesser Colibri, and 2~3 levels below Colibri.. Did nobody think to suggest the Puk camp?! It's like the exact same thing, only with hilarious knockbacks! That might've appeased your egotistical little RNG friend, RNG is great on those.

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 6:19am by Chocotaku
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#22 Oct 18 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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What is with everyone thinking lesser colibri exp dries up at 58? It's good through 61, you get lower exp per kill but kill much quicker.

What is this, 2004?
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#23 Oct 18 2009 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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What is with everyone thinking lesser colibri exp dries up at 58? It's good through 61, you get lower exp per kill but kill much quicker.

What is this, 2004?


Problem is, when everyone thinks this way, you rarely have enough available birds because you got multiple groups crowding the camp thanks to level sync. When your kills start becoming around 100 xp base but you still can't kill fast enough to infinichain due to mob unavailability, the xp does become rather bad by "modern" standards.
#24 Oct 19 2009 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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What the deuce? When I levelled PLD, I carried yag drink ingredients with me for these such occasions. Its just a fact that while levelling, always having refresh is a pipe dream.
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