Are new WHMs expected to have all spells?Follow

I just got back, took rdm to 18 and now my whm is 20. I can hardly manage to break 10k gil and most spells aka regen are like 6-8k on the AH, it can't be obtained from a vendor. Can any vet whms point out the few spells that are essential to group play outside of heals?

not really any excuse not to have any of the spells anymore, erase used to break 1M in price when it was harder to obtain but that's not really the case now.

Some spells are a bit pricier as you go up the levels, and I guess it's annoying to have to buy them but: once you start getting access to your teleport spells (which are all easily solo'd more or less) then you can pick up the odd bit of gil here or there in town.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, as you increase in level you find new and easier/better ways of making money, so there really isn't much of an excuse to be made ;/ Do some research and never trust the AH and you can't go wrong :P

Soloing can give quite a few beastseals which are handy for making a bit of money here or there, and there are several in-demand farm items that you can work on if you look hard enough ;/

I totally use Barvira as a spell separator on the magic list. It separates between Cures/Regens/Raises and Holy/Banishes; since there was too many "White" colored spells.

So all spell have uses; even if it's just to use as a bookmark!

Yes.


Brevity is the soul of wit.

I'm gonna hit up giddeus and farm some necklaces, they sell 500g each and beehive chips. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a monster signa, which prob won't even sell. I understand being the healer is pretty important and I should have all of the useful spells and most of the less used.

Baraera + Barvira + macroed Blindna sounds like an idea to me! :-)

Also, from my experience with soloing+NPC/duoing Weepers, Auroral Drape lasts just long enough to be annoying, but not long enough to be deadly.

Deodorize is 1k on AH and depops crawler links early on (CN), situationally very useful and shouldn't be skipped.

Slow is ~900gil from an NPC and very much useful especially with a ninja tank early on or otherwise. Relying on someone else to have it is not an excuse for you not to have it.

Barsleepra is ~250gil from an NPC and while I would agree it's rarely noticeable, there is no excuse not to have it or use it on mandys as you said.

Auspice is 5k on AH and again is very useful and appreciated by any melee who knows what it does (subtle blow aside, acc bonus when missing is nice on birds when most people dont spam crab sushi). Shouldn't be skipped.


I would prolly agree the rest of the list can be postponed (despite the fact most WHM spells are dirt cheap) but the above 4 I do not.


Not being able to afford 10ks worth of spells is inexcuseable, partying alone will allow you to sell CP/IS items for more than that.

Edited, Jul 13th 2009 3:24pm by bimrog

As a starting Whm, your Highest Priority will be cureing obvoiusly.

You will need Every cure on the Level you learn them, is Cure at 1, Cure 2 at 11, Cure 3 at 21.

You also need the regens on the levels you learn them, they are AS important as the cures, and are MUCH more MP efficient. (And i believe they net you less hate)

You will need the Protect/Shell Line of Spells on the levels you learn them also. However you can Skimp a bit here, IF you really need to, and only Get the AoE Versions, however you will want to pick up the singles for if you level Rdm.

At 25 you get Raise and Reraise, you will need Both at this point.

At verious levels you get Poisona, Paralyna, Silena, Blindna, you will need these when you learn them also.

You will want to pick up Dia, Slow, Paralyze and Silence when you learn them also. Dia, Slow and Para will be useful on every mob you try to fight. Silence is useless on Non casters, but will Cripple a caster, especially worms.

You'll want to Pick up Barstonra, Barwatera and Barfira for Worms, Crabs/Pugals and Goblins respectivly. They Will reduce the damage you take from their moves; Sandspin, Bubble shower/splash breath, Bomb toss.

The barstats are not AS useful, but you'll still find a use for them, especially barpoisonra against flies.

Finally the last "line" of spells is the banish line.

If you ever plan to solo worms, you'll need this set of spells, its Whm's only real damaging set of spells.

Other buffs you'll need; Blink is good when you get it, not as reliable as other buffs, but can really safe you. Aquaveil will help you cast and not get intrerupted as much, not so much useful in parties, but better for solo work.
Stoneskin is a Must when you get it. It will take damage for you, and can and will save your life.

Curaga spells you'll want the first 2 when you get access to them, as said, you can possibly wait on the tier 3 due to the large Hate spike it generates. But Curaga is the first and most efficient AoE Cure available in the game. (Not most efficient later on, but when you get it, its very efficient.


Enough with Spells. Now for a few tips in gear.

You'll want to pick up a pilgrims wand. It drops off a NM in West Sarutabaruta called Nunyenunc, its a bird that you can solo at your level. Pilgrims wand you will want to make a macro for when you rest. It has a stat called HMP. If you have it already, Great, if not get it. HMP increases the MP you restore while you rest, so you have to rest less to get back all your MP.

You may also wanna pick up some ginger cookies to chow down on during parties. They boost your HMP by 5, this paired with the Pilgrims want will raise your HMP from 15 to 22.

If you can afford it also, you'll want to pick up a pair or Barons Slops and a Mohbwa Sash to tack on another 2 HMP.

With those 4 things your resting would go as follows.

Pre items you would rest, tick 1 would restore 15 Mp, tick 2 16 (total of 31) tick 3 17 (total of 48)

With the 3 gear pieces and food it would go as follows:
Tick 1 24 Mp, Tick 2 25 Mp (total 49) Tick 3 26 Mp (total 75)

Its pretty clear to see how much this can help you.

Ginger Cookies are "ideal" because they are VERY cheap, about 10-12 gil each, and last 3 mins, so pop one before you rest after a fight and you are good to go. They also have an Additional effect of Plainoid Killer which comes in helpful in the jungles, but thats another story.

However in the meantime, farm bees, crawlers and the likes and AH their drops. Silk threads will sell close to 10k a stack on the AH, and if you farm in East Satura, you'll have a shot at Spiny Spipy, which drops the Mist silk cape, which is the best cape for whm until level 32. Or you could sell it for a few K, not sure what the going rate is on that anymore.

Anyway, i think i have rambled enough, hope this info helps you a bit.

~Dmh

How could you ever say that? The last thing we need is more WHM's that don't know how to enfeeble.

More often than not, the "Someone else" to slow it for you doesn't exist. Specially nowadays where WHM+RDM is a rare pairing.

K guys if you're still curious I have almost all of my spells, all of the important ones anyway. I'm missing a few of the bar spells, but I have stonra, sleepra and the other ones that I tend to bump into more often than not.

Do your best to keep up your spell lists.

Although it isn't necessary to have "all" the spells as you level to 75, you will want to have 99.9% of them at some point in your adventures throughout Vana'diel.

Once you have all your spells, you'll also need to learn how best to use them in each different situation. Including such things as equipment swaps for certain spells.

Remember, it's better to be over prepared than under prepared.

Good luck

Most crystals sell for 1k-2k per stack, just go solo EPs for 30 mins or so and you'll have your scrolls.

Barblindra is useful for Dynamis-Xarcabard; (Along with baraera for damage) for Hecatomb Wave. Kind of hard to blindna every melee that gets hit with this; and can't really count on esuna too much since it's conical (Will almost always need to sacrifice first).

And Barpoisonra useless? I take it you've never fought Uragnites? Rare thing since Rev Mail NM is one.

Barpoisonra can be useful in the jungles, as well as in Dunes when fighting flies/lizards.

Banishga is lv 15, which if you solo worms, is your 2nd Damaging spell, yes its more risky since its AoE, but with your limited Offensive magic take what you can get.

Also i use the banish/ga line Quite often for farming.

Barsilencera you'll want for ANY mob that uses Silence often, useful for any caster to reduce the time that silence lands on you, again, paired with Baraera for the occasional resist as well.

Barpetra + Barstonra i use Every dyna bastok multiple times, really does help resist Breakga. But thats an Endgame event, you Can pretty much get to 40 without a few spells. Just check Vendor prices as well as AH prices, that will help you save some gil also. Some will be much cheaper on the AH, and some by vendors.

Gl ~

You'll want this if you're exploring. Get aggro from an animal type mob? Well, Repose, sneak or invis depending on the area, and use deodorize. Run out of the mobs spawn range and you're fine. Without deodorize, some mobs will chase you after they wake up. Especially if they have enhanced movement speed.

This is needed before, and after, Maat. Who here has NEVER fought Imps? Let's see those hands. Yeah, I thought so. Barsilencera is nice more for the BRDs, as they WILL get hit with Deafening Tantra a lot. Stacking Barsilencera on top of the BRDs Resist Silence trait actually helps a lot. A WHM who I know can do their job will get another invite from me. One who can't, well...

If you use Barpoisonra or Poisona (on non-MP people) in the Jungles, you're doing it wrong. I'll gladly keep a 1 HP/tick poison on my melee, so that Dream Flower doesn't screw with them. Usually it's just the tank getting hit by Leaf Dagger anyhow, so Regen only giving 4 HP per tick instead of 5 is something I can live with.