/sch and newly back to WHMFollow

Honestly people won't give a sh*t what you sub as WHM, really, nor will most of them even know the inner workings of the job and why /SCH is overall a better sub in the first place. People look at WHM and they think Cures, status heals, Hastes, Teleports, and Raise 3. As far as they are concerned, you have all of that no matter what you sub and for the most part, they all work equally as well regardless of your sub.

For WHM the sub just supplements the job and isn't really essential to making it work. The same often cannot be said for say, tank roles. No matter what main job you're trying to tank as, the sub is usually essential to making it work out well if the thing you're trying to tank is even remotely challenging.

Bottom line, is career /BLM use "acceptable"? Sure, it must be, considering I still see many career WHM/BLMs make it to and thrive at 75 to this day. However, you will have a harder time with the job than someone with /SCH and your MP stamina will be poorer, particularly in scenarios where a RDM is not present (and given the current trend of whoamg TP burn, you are going to be very unlikely to find parties that will invite both a WHM and RDM after around ToAU levels). Whether or not it's "OK" to maintain usage of /BLM is something you should be answering, not leaving it to other people. If you feel like you would want better MP conservation as well as the option of a mini-Refresh (Sublimation) when you cannot get the real thing from a RDM, then you level /SCH. If not, then don't. As far as everyone else goes, as long as they're getting their Cures, status heals, Hastes, Teleports, and Raise 3s, they couldn't care less what you do.

The answer for "Is it acceptable?" is no. It becomes unacceptable the moment you get access to Advanced Subjobs.

The answer for "Can I get away with it?", however, is yes. And I really think that is what the OP wants to know.



In my honest opinion; I don't know why would anyone want to level WHM without /SCH. You're basically doing yourself a disservice.

You know what I'm referring at. A naked bard is not acceptable; but one can still get away with it and make it to 75.

Seriously, this is such a friendly board.. quit wasting your breath on this guy.

Edited, Jul 19th 2009 5:57am by Findanniin

To be completely honest taz if you don't want to level sch for a sj you don't haveto. People half the time don't even seem to care if you are gimp ... I mean really I have seen a thf get to 60THF/10NIN and refused to even get a ranged and had no idea what sata was... that is just pure fail there but it has happened. I personally wont be unretiring my whm til I get from 29 to 37.

Taz, I would say 99% of the whm's lfp on my server are whm/blm. So no, you don't need to level sch to get a party. You don't even need to level sch to get to whm75.

Of course, the reason whm/blm is lfp is that everyone invites whm/sch, sch/whm, sch/rdm, and rdm/whm first. So you will be the fifth-best choice, have to wait far longer for invites, and have a second-rate sub when you finally get the party. This second-rate sub will limit your abilities via lack of casting speed and mp efficiency and thus lower the exp/hour for your party.

But you will still get invites on whm/blm. And you will still get to 75.

P.S. I also dislike leveling scholar. Mine is at 28, and I'm leveling it as a requirement for whm and pup. Whatever you decide, gl to you.

Greetings all WHMs!!

Firstly, a response to the OP so I am somewhat on topic, after reading through the ton of responses (only one was needed really) Tazblackferret you are truly stubborn and your lazy attitude is getting you no where on the boards. You want to play /BLM? then just do it. End of story.

Now being in a similar situation (sort of..) I came to alla after a long break (since 2007) seeking advice or more like confirmation that the new /SCH is truly worth my time to level for my newly decided WHM main.

Secondly, my background, I have never repeat NEVER even considered playing a mage job at all. However, recently discovered it's really a nice change of pace to melee DD/Tanking and am now dedicating my time to it fully.

Started off with SMN and went around defeating all the primes + Fenrir + obtaining carby mitts. Solo to 14 and decided I need to up my /WHM (only 5 at the time).

Solo WHM to 14 and went to play BRD which I found to be awesome fun as well! took that to 27 especially since invites came so easily it was a dream... (melee DD = please form your own PT)

I then found BRD to be rather boring and found myself /WHM all the time and attempting to abuse my taru-gifted-mp pool by spamming cures, bars and -na spells.

Went back to WHM and loving it big time with /SMN to 23 now and thought I asked my friends who suggested /SCH being the current fave and proceeded to lecture me about the benefits of /SCH and why it surpasses other subs so I should really unlock it asap! (Thank you Cid)

Lastly, some questions, the listed benefits of /SCH is astronomical and much like the OP the idea of levelling BLM (1) to 37 as a sub is very... painful. I do not wish to nuke anything I want to heal! so;

1.) as a SCH/WHM would I be able to do so efficiently? and by efficient I mean would I be able to solo heal or will backup be required like SMN/WHM at low levels?

2.) Are SCHs able to equip the majority of WHM gear? so I don't have to waste inventory space (rather limited right now..)

3.) (This one will cause debates) SCH/WHM v.s. WHM/SCH @ 75 for end-game events + meripo, spell benefits and invite rate kgo!

So I get regen earlier than whm? sweet! I have only recently obtained regen and love to spam it in between cures, e.g. yesterday in JP party they mentioned i shouldn't use it as they already had regen from FoV, does it not stack?

Good to hear SCH can use the same gear that would mean I won't be reselling any low level WHM gear until my SCH sub is capped. (going to unlock it after work today and get it to 37 asap)

That just confirms that WHM75 will be my new main over SCH, I really like the idea of melee whm(dont hate me!)for solo/goofing around, blessed set so much hasteee and being all round god of healing /cheer! Despite normally teaming up with RDMs in meripos I still regard WHM as the best healer hands down.

**EDIT: new question, any rare/ex gear worth camping NMs for before <L50? There's a pilgrim(sp?) wand I need to get but that's all I have on my to-do list.



Edited, Aug 29th 2009 4:51am by Kobush*taru

Thanks for the list! I will get to work on it maybe once my SCH reaches 25 at the least I'd think.

I will keep that regen fact in mind next time I heal. I am currently leveling SCH and its at 15. I haven't had much of a chance to heal though been nuking more since we have 4 mages in this dunes party.. fun!

The NMs listed look pretty good but like I said in the other post I probably won't be dealing with them until SCH is at least 25 so I can go back to WHM if I get bored of SCH. Otherwise I might just finish it off to 37.

I don't have access to the Aquadects unfortunately... sea access zilch. :(

But a quick update SCH now 22! and Mycophile Cuffs 1/2 boom!