Mystic Boon and WeaponryFollow

Got Mystic Boon and headed out to fight Inlet Crabs. I used a stack of blinding potions(all that was up) and got as much data as I could before they ran out.

One note about this data is that my melee acc was actually closer to 24% after ~200 swings with blinding potions up fulltime, but since I was short on potions, I started just meleeing without them when they wore and used them right before Mystic Boon to maximize the number of WS I could get with 12 potions.

Data:

Damage Summary 
 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Rale                  10194   85.06 %    266/608   30.43 %      2/55    33.32     35     42/95   71.37   13.16 % 
 
 
Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Rale                         1671    13.94 %      15/4    78.95 %      64/208   111.40 
 - Mystic Boon               1671   100.00 %      15/4    78.95 %      64/208   111.40

WHM/NIN with 256 club skill, -256 Acc from Blinding Potions and no acc in gear except Perdu latent, hit 15/19 Boons for a 78.95% WS hit rate while melee acc was about 30%(in reality closer to 23-24% as stated above).

Confirmed?

p.s. I'll find a way to upload my KParser parse then link to it.

Edit: Eh, columns don't match up. If someone could tell me how to post data from parsers like bsphil does I'll change it.

Edited, Sep 30th 2009 11:41pm by ChronoDragoon

Edited, Oct 1st 2009 5:00pm by ChronoDragoon

I never saw the original testing for the one hit WS testing but did the other WSs that were not MB show 95% acc even with Blinding Pots? If the pot gives -256 acc then a non merited Whm is reduced to a 0Acc rating which is the floor 20% hit rate. Going from a 20% melee hit rate to 78% on the first hit is still a great boost.

You use the code tags to remove the automatic space formatting. Interesting find though. With more data to solidify that number, looks like you could help nail down what that accuracy boost is, assuming we ARE positive that a blinding potion gives exactly -256 accuracy. Going with the assumption of 79% hitrate, that's 32 acc short of capped accuracy, which would mean that you gained upwards of accuracy+224 on WS? That doesn't quite make sense though, because your melee hitrate should have been floored at 20% in this case. If you look just at the jump from melee hitrate to WS hitrate it would be (using the 24% hitrate figure) accuracy+110.

I suppose in this case you'd also want to see where your normal TP hitrate is without the blinding potions on those particular mobs. If it's not capped that'd give us a much better idea of where the mob's evasion is, which would show you more specifically what accuracy-256 means overall when stacked on WS, what you should expect for melee hitrate, and if your hitrate isn't floored, what blinding potions really are doing.

I'm a little leery of blinding potions being used because they seem like a bit of an x-factor, but the bonus still looks pretty substantial.




Edited, Oct 1st 2009 12:45pm by bsphil

When I talked to Multidude about doing these tests in PMs I actually recommended he fight something close to EM so that he might actually get an uncapped melee hitrate without going to extremes such as taking blinding potions.

By the by, I've yet to see the research that has shown that blinding potions are accuracy-256. It seems to have been randomly added by one guy and further formatted around that since then. In fact, it was added by the same guy who randomly added the "fact" that when you're a higher level than your target, you get an accuracy bonus. I'm not claiming that either of these statements are false, I'm just saying that I don't know where the information came from. As far as I know, the claim is coming from one guy on wiki who decided to add the statement, and its validity rests entirely upon the fact that we're trusting him not to be lying/making assumptions/incorrect in his hypothesis.

Or, if anyone could show me how those conclusions were drawn and the data used to found them, that'd be great.

No to flame ring, the extra 1 STR is outweighed by the -2 MND. As for ruby v sapphire, I'd have to think on it. Offhand I'd guess Ruby....

EDIT:

base 
80 str 
100 mnd 
 
84 str  
100 mnd 
 
fSTR=6 (assume) 
WSC=((84*.3)+(100*.5)) * .83 
   =((25)   +(50)    ) * .83 
   =75 * .83 
   =62 
 
DMG+ = 68 
 
 
80 str 
104 mnd 
 
fSTR=5 
WSC=((80*.3)+(104*.5)) * .83 
   =((24)   +(52)    ) * .83 
   =75 * .83 
   =63 
 
DMG+ = 68

Looks very close, very slight lead to sapphire that gets exaggerated by rounding in the right scenarios. Ruby ring for attack+2 from STR is liable to balance it out. I'd lean towards Ruby for the attack as well, but really, it's near identical.

Edited, Oct 4th 2009 12:24am by bsphil

Alright thanks a ton. I got the Flame instead of a Triumph because of Kamu since they were the same price. Guess I'm grabbing a Ruby Ring today.

Use Aqua on M.Boon because its 5 MND and 2 STR instead of one or the other. This WS is similar to loFB+1 and Death Blossom. STR and MND count for almost exactly the same (depending on dSTR), so choose whichever gives you the most of that particular stat. Being a WHM you should have plentiful access to +MND gear, just don't take -STR.


For that huge a$$ debate about first hit accuracy, I can't believe some of those posters, who I considered very level headed individuals, tried to argue that point. When SE did the 2H buff, they buffed ~ALL~ WS to have a super acc bonus on the first hit. If the WS happens to be a single hit only, then great, else ohh well. It was never automatic capped accuracy, but rather unless your flashed, using a blinding potion, or fighting with a super under leveled weapon, the bonus SHOULD give you capped accuracy fighting anything IT or under. We know its at least +100 if not more, so take that into consideration.

Oh, great, now I have to go get the last three levels on WHM just so you don't beat me to 75.

(Actually, on second thought, screw it. Plenty of other people have beat me to WHM75, it's probably not going anywhere, I'm gonna screw around with other stuff.)

Ding WHM75 yay. Had a Werebuster for probably 8 months now.

EDIT: Unlocked Mystic Boon in 90 minutes. :D



Edited, Oct 14th 2009 1:10am by bsphil

I actually never cared less about the results, they were fairly clear from the get go :P

the only accuracy I care about is the mathematical accuracy of proposed models, to me that is important because that's how I roll ;P
and it's nice to see I'm not wrong :P

the neurosis involved in actually arguing over listing possible acc gear in a melee thread is pretty weak to begin with; sure haste will pretty much always be the superior choice in TP gain it's nice to have some filler