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#202 Aug 26 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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All this balancing talk makes me glad I have lost all desire for MMOs.
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These kinds of threads were so endless, and so awful. Armchair game designers in action. Smiley: cool
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#203 Aug 26 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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The only MMO I really gave two flips about was FFXI, and that had more to do with it being a gift from an ex-girlfriend and a static party. If it weren't for both of those conditions I probably wouldn't have even looked twice at it. Even after the ex became an ex, I stuck with the static group and pretty much easily completed stuff so I was never really part of the playerbase that had any difficulty completing anything, including the (at the time) "elitist gear." I played WoW to level cap two or three times, but that's kind of like saying "Hey, I woke up this weekend." Never really got drawn in.

Back to Square, I gave up on them after FF8. Their quality really went down the hill after leaving Nintendo, but I guess that's understandable. Nintendo used to have very rigorous standards procedures before they put their little gold star on the cover, and one of the conditions Sony gave Square on their departure was more money lax standards. Which, on the surface sounds like a great idea: Square was free to make any game they wanted without someone over their shoulders. Under that surface? Sephiroth, Squall and now a mountain of trash.

Hell, thanks to Final Fantasy XIV they broke Zam. Smiley: motz

Not to be completely dreary: My Cousin Vinny continues to be an awesome movie, but probably because half of my family acts like Joe Pesci. Holiday dinners are always fun.
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I can't imagine MMO end-game without a steady group. The only reason I did anything in WoW was because it was family and friends plus a few others. The idea of having to completely rely on random people to achieve objectives is unsettling at best.
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#205 Aug 26 2013 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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I rather liked just doing stuff on my own in WoW from time to time, playing it more like a single player game than anything else. At least for leveling, just thinking of nothing, listening to music and running around doing quests.
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There was something about a good leveling grind in that game back in the day. The idea you may just go to an area and kill stuff. As compared to nowadays where every inch is covered in quest objectives. It's a different feel. Just add in some drama in general chat or guild chat to help entertain and let the good times commence.

On a side note I don't think I ever got over the Catacylsm, it kind of destroyed my link to Azeroth, since everything I remembered is gone now.
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All this balancing talk makes me glad I have lost all desire for MMOs.
Heh. You're living the biggest MMO of all. Granted, without the "o".

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I liked the overhaul of the old world, the new stuff just didn't do anything for me and people are just as stupid so endgame either means a horrifying experience or sinking in 30-40 hours a week.
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#209 Aug 27 2013 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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the lack of a steady group was a big part of what drove me away from wow.

druid dps got less evil when they made the difference between mangle and shred less. rake / rip getting some of the you can cast before the last tick and extend helped as well, a lot to be honest.

feral melee dps is way better than warrior with raid gear these days to the best of my knowledge. maybe more due to warriors being on the bottom of the melee pile than anything else though but idk.

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#210 Aug 27 2013 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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These kinds of threads were so endless, and so awful. Armchair game designers in action. Smiley: cool


Hey! This forum was built on armchair game designing.

The combo point CD wouldn't work, though. It's too powerful in PvP and doesn't cut it in PvE. They should/could do what Trion did with combo points in Rift. Make the combo points apply to the caster, not the target. No reason not to (since the caster is doing the combo) and it makes it easier to switch targets.

Anyway, I jumped on a dummy and did a couple of minutes of purely keeping up Savage Roar, Rip, Rake and avoiding energy cap. Pushed 30k DPS. Unfortunately, almost every boss fight in Pandaria dungeons involves phases, which usually means the main boss becomes immune to damage while you take care of a secondary objective, like killing evil reflections or a sub-boss. There's nothing worse than putting up a 5pt boosted Rip and then the boss goes into Phase 2. Waste of five combo points.

Designing Ferals around Rip and Savage Roar was a terrible idea from day one. Druid rotation should be about keeping up Savage Roar for sustained damage or Ferocious Bite for burst. Not Savage Roar for overall damage increase, Rip for sustained damage and Ferocious Bite interwoven for optimal output. That's three finishers you have to use, and you have to do math every time, otherwise a buff/debuff falls off and your DPS drops down to pitiful levels.

Savage Roar should buff auto attacks by a fair amount, like back in Cataclysm or Wrath or whenever. This means increased sustainable damage that doesn't suffer from target switching. Ferocious Bite damage should be balanced out so that it becomes a viable alternative to Savage Roar. You'd end up with something like:

If the fight is going to last more than 1 minute: Use Savage Roar.
If the fight is going to last less than 1 minute: Use Ferocious Bite.

Alternatively, they should roll the Savage Roar buff into the Druid (since the buff should always be up, anyway) and just have us focus on using Rip for sustained damage and Ferocious Bite for burst damage.

And sure, the Feral "rotation" is easy when you do it on a dummy. Add boss mechanics, like puddles of goo, instagib cleaves/cones, AOE group wipes and immunity, and it becomes a pain in the **** to manage. And I don't even have Dream of Cenarius yet. It's going to be a nightmare once I hit level 90. I have to weave heals into my DPS rotation to do competitive damage?

I mean, seriously?
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#211 Aug 27 2013 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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There's nothing worse than putting up a 5pt boosted Rip and then the boss goes into Phase 2. Waste of five combo points.
That's all on you though. You (should) know when a boss will change phases and not to use Rip right before that.
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#212 Aug 27 2013 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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I've played through a lot of the Pandaria 5-mans, and I have yet to find a meaningful system in the phase shifts there. Sometimes, the bosses will go into second phase with a delayed cue. Unless you're looking at the boss during the fight, you could miss it. I can't look at the boss while I'm looking at timers.

And before we go there, I shouldn't have to use an add-on to play my class competitively. DBM would help, but I wouldn't need it on my Warrior and thus shouldn't need it on my Druid.
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#213 Aug 27 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Phase shifting will most likely be either triggered or timed so it only takes knowledge of a fight.

That said, you shouldn't be having to constantly look at your timers during a fight, it's distinctively not fun.
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#214 Aug 27 2013 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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All this balancing talk makes me glad I have lost all desire for MMOs.
Heh. You're living the biggest MMO of all. Granted, without the "o".
Yeah, but I've got a static group so it's all good.
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#215 Aug 27 2013 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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All this balancing talk makes me glad I have lost all desire for MMOs.
Heh. You're living the biggest MMO of all. Granted, without the "o".
Yeah, but I've got a static group so it's all good.
I'm assuming you're the tank and your daughter is the hunter with Kitty as a pet so that makes your wife the healer, right?
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#216 Aug 27 2013 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
All this balancing talk makes me glad I have lost all desire for MMOs.
Heh. You're living the biggest MMO of all. Granted, without the "o".
Yeah, but I've got a static group so it's all good.
I'm assuming you're the tank and your daughter is the hunter with Kitty as a pet so that makes your wife the healer, right?
Not sure if current, but M1Abrams is probably the tank.

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#217 Aug 27 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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It's really great at reducing slash damage, though not all that effective against nukes. Though, I guess it's better than plate mail either way.
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#218 Aug 27 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Slash damage and nukes.

Good ol' World War 3 will be fought with intercontinental ballistic missiles... and swords.
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I hate windows. Smiley: mad

Stupid OS chokes on a folder containing 65,000 files and now I have to wait for it's brain to catch up before I can do anything...
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#220 Aug 27 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
Does a Unix distro handle files that size better than Windows?
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#221 Aug 27 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have no idea, stuff runs in windows though, so I get stuck there. (I want to say if we do this on a Mac and it goes so much faster, IIRC of course)

Odd tip, if you open a command window and set the path to the folder before clicking to open it, it will open immediately, instead of taking 3 minutes. Smiley: oyvey

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Stupid OS chokes on a folder containing 65,000 files and now I have to wait for it's brain to catch up before I can do anything...
I kind of know that feel.
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Yeah that feeling. It gets old. You accidentally click on something and spend time waiting and waiting and typing internet stuff and waiting...

Smiley: glare

Also, why so much music?

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#224 Aug 27 2013 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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All FLAC all the time.
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Between falling for the most obvious troll in the history of this forum and the GID thread Alma has really gone full retard.
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#226 Aug 27 2013 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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There is nothing more hilariously, gut-wrenchingly awful than watching him try to appear smart.
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He's so smart he outsmarts even himself!




Edit: some people on Reddit are now comparing Miley Cirus' embarrassing "sexy" act with Rammstein's live performance of Buck Dich because OMG two of the guys from Rammstein got arrested and fined for their performance in which they pretended to have **** sex (with a rather strong BDSM vibe) and swung around a **** shooting "cum" made of watered down liquor over the audience. In 1999.

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#228 Aug 27 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: lol

It's not an Alma thread until he defines a word in a completely different manner than everyone else. Then argues that everyone should accept his strict definition and the logical deductions therefrom. Smiley: rolleyes
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Edit: some people on Reddit are now comparing Miley Cirus'
Somewhere around that point in the sentence I realized it was going to end with a Smiley: facepalm moment.
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It's not an Alma thread until he defines a word in a completely different manner than everyone else. Then argues that everyone should accept his strict definition and the logical deductions therefrom. Smiley: rolleyes


No, that's gbaji.

Remove the logical deductions and replace them with blind inferences, and you get Alma.
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#231 Aug 27 2013 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: lol

Alma spells out his preconceived assumptions then berates you for not following his unshared obscure reasoning (which you have to spend 20 pages beating out of him, not that anyone cares enough to do that, and not that it's really all that impressive or convincing stuff when you finally do), gbaji doesn't bother to share his assumptions but spells out all his reasoning in boring detailed posts no one reads.

Both ways work so well... Smiley: rolleyes
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Either way, you only have to read 1 or 2 sentences until you'll find something sufficiently wrong to respond for the easy +1. Smiley: lol
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That really is the best part.
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The "best" part of the **** he spews still stinks.
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yes, one of the main reasons being that almost no one using *nix is using the GUI to do file stuff. the terminal is great for that stuff.

hell, vi can handle 300 MB text files better than os x and windows.

even on a mac you get better performance using the terminal for that sort of stuff.
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The "best" part of the **** he spews still stinks.


That's why you only barely read it. I mean, it's not like it's hard to see where they're wrong.
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But what's the point? He is so wrapped in his delusions of grandeur that you're never going to get it through to him that he's not the genious he thinks he is.
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Remove the logical deductions and replace them with blind inferences, and you get Alma.
If you guys would ignore him it wouldn't be so bad, but the rest of us have to suffer for it. Smiley: glare
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Eh' you'd all miss the threads if you were gone. You need someone to complain about.
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#241 Aug 28 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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But what's the point? He is so wrapped in his delusions of grandeur that you're never going to get it through to him that he's not the genious he thinks he is.
I'm ever fascinated how different people can be given the same set of facts and arrive at completely opposite conclusions.
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Especially when they arbitrarily make up a second set of facts unlike the original ones, and then apply their own rules of logic.
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So I have a teeny tiny bit less hair than this morning.



It's probably about 13-14 inches shorter.
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I like that part. Facts get added in that weren't there, some facts that were there get tossed out some how. Cause and effect get reversed, then re-reversed then re-re-reversed. Things that aren't relevant to the conversation are given extraordinary weight. Then a bit of a derail brings in something tangentially related that needs to be mushed into the picture. Everything gets manipulated until it all makes sense in the head and such.

Then if the picture doesn't match reality you blame it on hippies. Smiley: nod
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So I have a teeny tiny bit less hair than this morning.



It's probably about 13-14 inches shorter.


Pics or it didn't happen. Facebook is acceptable.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
So I have a teeny tiny bit less hair than this morning.



It's probably about 13-14 inches shorter.


Smiley: eek

Thanks to a Barber I hope. Smiley: um
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Yeah, thanks to a barber. I even got the haircut for free because my hair was long enough to donate to a locks-of-love like organization.
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You are a good person. I foresee some rate-ups in your future.
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Also, why so much music?
Because I like music. That, and I'm aggressively competitive. I firmly believe that second place is being the best loser. I say that, to say this: Way back in the late 90s I had a friend, and one day this friend started to brag about how many mp3s she had. So I was like **** you, I have this many!" So she, in turn went "Well, **** your horse, I got this many!" and it continues to this day snowball like that. I think I'm ahead at this point, we haven't compared in a week.
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All FLAC all the time.
That's like 20mb of disk space that some of us with hearing loss can't enjoy. Smiley: motz
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Especially when they arbitrarily make up a second set of facts unlike the original ones, and then apply their own rules of logic.
One is amusing because he'll come up with hypotheticals and what-if things to death, but they're so hole-ridden that he's forced to alter them and pretend it was all part of the original line of thought until it fits his narrative, at which point the new holes are brought up along with the old ones and it just continues to snowball from there. Alma just naysays. Picking the opposite and continuing until people stop, purposely just going for the last word.
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It's probably about 13-14 inches shorter.
Yeah, that's not a teeny bit. I don't think I've had that much hair cut off in the last two years total.
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You are a good person. I foresee some rate-ups in your future.
Eh, I didn't know it was an option but when the barber said that she could do that I figured I'd be a **** for not doing it as I was going to get it cut short anyway. I didn't even know that that paid for my haircut until I went to pay Smiley: lol

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It's probably about 13-14 inches shorter.
Yeah, that's not a teeny bit. I don't think I've had that much hair cut off in the last two years total.
Yeah, the teeny bit part wasn't serious. I've had long hair for the past 11 or 12 years so it had gotten pretty long.


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You're like a totally different person now. That's gotta feel a bit weird.
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