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#1 May 18 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I duo a lot with my fiancee and we often find ourselves in tight spots where a quick fear can save the day. Does anyone else use this technique? I realize that fearing is not always the best idea, and in a 5-man you are probably killing things so fast that it is not practical. Anyone use fear in PVE?
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#2 May 18 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I used to have it glyphed so the mobs would stay put and not accidentally pull more.
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#3 May 18 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
I do when asked, but I haven't been asked very often. Usually people want me to MC stuff instead. I am perfectly cool with that, as long as the entire group understands that the purpose of MC is to get the MC'd mob killed. To do that, you actually have to wait for the other mobs to kill it first before you freaking pull...
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#4 May 18 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL Pigtails, I read that post with the voice representing you in my head getting louder and angrier as it went on. It was pretty funny. Course, it might just be me going crazy... but still... good times.
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#5 May 18 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
I dunno about the louder part, but the angrier part, most definitely. I've encountered way too many groups (usually in the older heroics) who want me to MC and then pull five seconds later, even after I tell them not to.
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#6 May 18 2011 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha yes it is very hard to get people to understand how to kill a monster with MC, still, I find myself using it a lot. When I'm healing on my priest I actually like to MC monsters with OP heals and use them to heal. It can be very risky but it can also pay off.

Works well in ToT, VP, and even a few spots in ZA.
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#7 May 19 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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Depending on the mob, it sometimes isn't a bad thing at all to save it for last to be killed.

For example, there's some casters in Heroic Deadmines (Defias Squallshapers) that have a spell called "Seaswell". MC them and spam that, and you'd be doing more damage than you would likely be able to do on your own.

I'm talking 60k a hit on the third chained target, if I remember correctly.
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#8 May 19 2011 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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My answer to that question is hell no...too many mobs do the run off and drag more of their pals to come kick my scrawny, cloth wearing behind thing. As a last resort to getting stomped, maybe I'd think of popping a Fear or Death Coil.

Personally, I was more the, when they still had it, cast Curse of Recklessness on mobs. Why, you ask, because it caused the mob to run toward you -- and by that time it was usually close to dead and not going to reach many of its buddies.

Now, I can't comment on the MC CC methodologies - my priest alt can't cast it yet, though, it's likely similar to Enslave Demon.
#9 May 19 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I duo a lot with my fiancee and we often find ourselves in tight spots where a quick fear can save the day. Does anyone else use this technique? I realize that fearing is not always the best idea, and in a 5-man you are probably killing things so fast that it is not practical. Anyone use fear in PVE?


Pretty much only as a last resort.
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#10 May 19 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
Actually it's nothing like enslave demon, from what I remember with my lock. Enslave demon is still like taming a pet right? MC actually gives you control over the mob you use it on, enabling you to move it and perform any of its abilities. It's pretty awesome, but it's channeled so if you get hit that will cause it to end early.
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#11 May 20 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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My answer to that question is hell no...too many mobs do the run off and drag more of their pals to come kick my scrawny, cloth wearing behind thing. As a last resort to getting stomped, maybe I'd think of popping a Fear or Death Coil.

Personally, I was more the, when they still had it, cast Curse of Recklessness on mobs. Why, you ask, because it caused the mob to run toward you -- and by that time it was usually close to dead and not going to reach many of its buddies.

Now, I can't comment on the MC CC methodologies - my priest alt can't cast it yet, though, it's likely similar to Enslave Demon.


I'll reiterate what Horsemouth said. If you have the Psychic Scream glyph, they don't go running off...they're frozen in place for a bit (8 seconds I think). It's perfectly viable to run a Psychic Scream on two mobs, deal with one of them and then return to the other as long as you haven't dotted them up.

If you don't have it glyphed, then yeah...it's a last resort thing. And you shouldn't use it in a group unless everyone is onboard with whatever strategy that's in place that requires it.

It's highly effective in certain situations.
#12 May 20 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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dfass wrote:
My answer to that question is hell no...too many mobs do the run off and drag more of their pals to come kick my scrawny, cloth wearing behind thing. As a last resort to getting stomped, maybe I'd think of popping a Fear or Death Coil.

Personally, I was more the, when they still had it, cast Curse of Recklessness on mobs. Why, you ask, because it caused the mob to run toward you -- and by that time it was usually close to dead and not going to reach many of its buddies.

Now, I can't comment on the MC CC methodologies - my priest alt can't cast it yet, though, it's likely similar to Enslave Demon.


I'll reiterate what Horsemouth said. If you have the Psychic Scream glyph, they don't go running off...they're frozen in place for a bit (8 seconds I think). It's perfectly viable to run a Psychic Scream on two mobs, deal with one of them and then return to the other as long as you haven't dotted them up.

If you don't have it glyphed, then yeah...it's a last resort thing. And you shouldn't use it in a group unless everyone is onboard with whatever strategy that's in place that requires it.

It's highly effective in certain situations.


To elaborate on this further, fear is not effective as a PvE CC mainly do to the duration issue as most CC last at least 30s, easily re-applicable or both. Priest fear is of a short duration and the CD on the spell (Scream or Horror) wont be up when the fear drops.

That being said, fear especially when glyphed or running mobs wont be an issue can be highly useful to alleviate pressure in a heroic. Fear in PvP is of course awesome.
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#13 May 20 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I find that fear is perfectly useful when I am duoing. This is because my fiancee has hate on the mobs already, I then fear them to give her a respite from damage for a few seconds. It let's me pull damage back a bit, while I throw heals her way. It works out pretty good.
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#14 May 20 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
Well and you can also fear a mob while a mage or a shammy can get to CC the mob more effectively. At least I think you can sheep or hex a feared mob. I've never actually seen it done. It was just a thought.
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#15 May 20 2011 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Yup Pigtails, that works.

Other tricks include Circle of Frost, Hungering Cold, and even shorter term stuns. In fact, even an honest-to-goodness 5 second stun like Hammer of Justice can help in separating out mobs and getting that CC to work correctly when something has gone wrong.

Then again, you'd really only do this if something has gone wrong.

Edited, May 20th 2011 8:21pm by tzsjynx
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#16 May 21 2011 at 4:38 AM Rating: Good
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I don't do 5 mans that much on my priest but now that she doesn't have the fear glyph (smite glyph stole the spot) I would think twice before hitting it.

Then again if I had a shit load of mana I probably would still hit it but <75% mana I'd think for at least 1 sec then still probably hit it.

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#17 May 21 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Horsemouth wrote:
I don't do 5 mans that much on my priest but now that she doesn't have the fear glyph (smite glyph stole the spot) I would think twice before hitting it.

Then again if I had a shit load of mana I probably would still hit it but <75% mana I'd think for at least 1 sec then still probably hit it.

lulz


So basically, you're the opposite of a "No Fear" sort of player :)

Edited, May 21st 2011 3:34pm by Moanique
#18 May 24 2011 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I really threw this out there to get people talking about different angles on how to crowd control when the feces has hit the aerial distributor. I probably should have phrased it differently, but I wanted to stay away from a thread in which a ton of people came in and screamed: No! Thou Shalt Not Fear!
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