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#1 Apr 27 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Title says it all. Is FFB better then FB now that DoTs do not proc ingnite?
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#2 Apr 27 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Weren't they considered close enough to equal not counting the bug?

I'll do some research, but I suspect that it will mostly be a matter of your gear.

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Fire Mages can cast either Fireball or Frostfire Bolt as primary nuke in their rotation. The DPS difference is minor, but Fireball is theoretically superior by a small margin. Why's the difference rather small?

- Fireball and Frostfire Bolt cost the same amount of mana
- Fireball and (Glyphed) Frostfire Bolt do the same amount of initial damage

The only other difference stems from Glyph of Fireball and Glyph of Frostfire. Glyph of Frostfire Bolt adds a 3% damage over 12 seconds DOT (stacks 3 times) whereas Glyph of Fireball adds 5% crit.

The periodic damage of Glyphed Frostfire Bolt can crit, which leaves an Ignite. This is a very important point in practise because of Ignite Munching. More frequent Crits from minor, weak DOT's such as FFB - result in more opportunities for Ignite Munching. Be sure to read the Ignite Munching section for an understanding of why this can be very detrimental to Fire Mages. Theoretically, FFB vs Fireball might be deemed as an "X% difference" by sims - but remember that Ignite Munching can and will exacerbate that difference - which many sims do not account for.

Therefore, we can sum up the primary nuke debate by saying: Fireball as primary nuke is better. Not by a huge margin, but enough to convince most players seeking Optimal Play to use Fireball over FFB.
This is the the old version from the EJ sticky. Sounds like I was remembering correctly. Ignoring the bug, the difference was marginal. Assuming I'm not forgetting other changes, FB will probably remain on top.

Edited, Apr 27th 2011 11:08am by Poldaran
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#3 Apr 27 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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In a raid I am just below 30% crit. My dps seems to be a lot less RNG dependent since patch. I was really hoping that FFB would be on top now my inner Goku loves casting it.
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#4 Apr 28 2011 at 2:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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DrunkDrood wrote:
In a raid I am just below 30% crit. My dps seems to be a lot less RNG dependent since patch. I was really hoping that FFB would be on top now my inner Goku loves casting it.
There's really nothing stopping you from doing so, though. Sure FB was(still is?) a bit better, but the margin is fairly small.

What saddens me is that it seems that this will make it less likely for a warlock to give us fire mages some Dark Intent.
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My inner min/max beats out Goku by a long shot. Which is surprising with the whole being a Saiyan and all.
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DrunkDrood wrote:
My inner min/max beats out Goku by a long shot.
I can certainly understand that, though I have to say that the psychological aspect of it all can't be ignored. I know I always focus better at my DPSing when my character's gear doesn't clash with her hair, which has led me to make some interesting gear choices in the past. Smiley: laugh
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Wait, your min/max side is stronger than your Saiyan side?

Good luck getting dps over 9000...

Edited, May 7th 2011 2:43am by idiggory
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