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#1 Mar 21 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so I am having some serious issues with what has historically been my favorite class and spec, and feel like I need to vent a little and seek solace in the larger resto community. My main is a NE Resto Druid, well geared, and I am currently running through heroics - half my gear is heroic gear, the other half is from regulars. My item level is 335. I have been a healer since I started playing MMOs 10 years ago, and absolutely understand not only the general healing mechanics, but the specific resto druid mechanics as well. I always lead my tanks in with a full stack of LB, cast a regrowth when the mobs start hitting harder, throw in a swiftmend for some addtl. healing, and if things get rough, use healing touch or rejuv. But here is the thing - my groups keep wiping. And I have had some really fantastically geared players run with me (a tank earlier this evening with 184k health), and pretty decent agro management, but they just keep dying - I can't keep them alive! It is very frustrating, because I feel like I am doing something wrong, but I know I'm not.

Is anyone else having issues healing heroics/healing in general? I watch other healers, shammy healers particularly, and watch their mana remain at 90% while their group health is at 90% run through entire heroic dungeons without flinching, then I try it, and we all die. And die again. And again. I am a smart guy, an experienced gamer, and seasoned MMO healer, but I really, really can't get the hang of this/figure out what is going on. Are resto druids broke? I feel like even my "Oh ****" spells, are weak ***************** Rejuvenation and Healing Touch seem to match up with the weaker of the priest heals. And nourish, while it is certainly not an "Oh ****" spell, is so weak that it almost warrants me not even putting on my hot bar.

Sorry for the Wall Of Text...this has just been bugging me for weeks now, and I need to rant/figure out how to fix it. Maybe re-rolling is the answer, I don't know.

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#2 Mar 22 2011 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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An armory link would be super helpful. Otherwise we can only guess.
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Well we certainly aren't the over-powered healers we were at the beginning of last expansion, but you should be able to push through heriocs.

A couple of things that caught my eye:

-Enchants are awesome, so are belt buckles and gems and such. Investing in those will help quite a bit. You don't have to buy the most expensive stuff; anything extra helps.

-You're still going the want the mana talents. Pick up Empowered Touch to help you roll LB, and split 5 points between Furor and Moonglow. Don't worry about Genesis until you are comfortable with your mana. Naturalist is good too.

-Reforge: Hit & Crit go to haste until you are above 916, then reforge any additional into spirit. If you end up being comfortable with your mana, the stuff you reforge into spirit can be switched to mastery.

-Also see if you can get your hands on a better relic, but you probably realized that...

My Nelf ended up about the same gear level as you, so feel free to check him out. If you notice both of our Nelfs have the same gear level, but basically all my stats are higher. You're largely on the right track it seems though, and it's apparent you pretty much know what you're doing. This is just the point where some tweaking and fine tuning can make all the difference.

Edit: For spell selection advice see the last part of the resto druid section of the "Read Me: Druid 406" sticky. Some of it is opinion, but it shouldn't steer you wrong.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2011 9:10am by someproteinguy
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#5 Mar 22 2011 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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My main is a NE Resto Druid, well geared, and I am currently running through heroics - half my gear is heroic gear, the other half is from regulars. My item level is 335.



iLvL 335 is definitely not well geared; It isn't much above the heroic entry point. Combine that with lack of gems and enchants and your gear is probably below that entry level. Healing is hard when you start heroics and I wouldn't even attempt it without making sure the gems and enchants were done - even green gems and the cheaper enchants will make a big difference.


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Jemac89 wrote:
My main is a NE Resto Druid, well geared, and I am currently running through heroics - half my gear is heroic gear, the other half is from regulars. My item level is 335.



iLvL 335 is definitely not well geared; It isn't much above the heroic entry point. Combine that with lack of gems and enchants and your gear is probably below that entry level. Healing is hard when you start heroics and I wouldn't even attempt it without making sure the gems and enchants were done - even green gems and the cheaper enchants will make a big difference.

pretty much that.

Use blue gems for blue itens, perfect green gems for green items.
Enchant with the enchants that do not use Crystal.
And dont be lazy and get exalted rep with factions. You will see a really big difference after you get rep epics.
And, for god's sake, pick another relic. The one you are using is a feral. And a bad one at that.
Oh, and reforge. A lot. Get rid of crit, get spirit/haste/mastery.

Here, use this:
http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/gorefiend/kaltheridon#v1-z1-o5033B~230

Check the difference tab. It's freaking HUGE!
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For the record, my Druid is now wearing full heroic (+ epic trinket) gear and it doesn't get easier even then.

It's pretty much from one ditch into another. If people play well, I can run a heroic using Wild Growth, Lifebloom and Swiftmend, using Regrowth on OOC procs to fuel the Swiftmends. On bad days, I'm dumping every AOE heal I've got, including Tranquility, and people still drop.

Basically, healing at this gear level is like tightrope walking.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 1:38am by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
For the record, my Druid is now wearing full heroic (+ epic trinket) gear and it doesn't get easier even then.

It's pretty much from one ditch into another. If people play well, I can run a heroic using Wild Growth, Lifebloom and Swiftmend, using Regrowth on OOC procs to fuel the Swiftmends. On bad days, I'm dumping every AOE heal I've got, including Tranquility, and people still drop.

Basically, healing at this gear level is like tightrope walking.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 1:38am by Mazra

Even with my current 352 iLevel, if people make too much mistake they will die. The difference is on how many mistakes the healer can actually absorb.
In pre-heroic gear, pretty much none. Pre-raid gear, some. Raid gear, a handfull. Heroic raid gear is probably back to wotlk healing, I guess.
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Unlike WOTLK, though, a wipe in Cataclysm happens 5-10 minutes before the wipe actually happens. It's the rolling snowball effect, and I absolutely hate it.
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Mazra wrote:
Unlike WOTLK, though, a wipe in Cataclysm happens 5-10 minutes before the wipe actually happens. It's the rolling snowball effect, and I absolutely hate it.

Just stop healing and let everyone die to prevent that 5~10 minutes =p
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Mazra wrote:
Unlike WOTLK, though, a wipe in Cataclysm happens 5-10 minutes before the wipe actually happens. It's the rolling snowball effect, and I absolutely hate it.

Just stop healing and let everyone die to prevent that 5~10 minutes =p


I would, except you don't know you're going to wipe at that time. You're just thinking "Oops, I let Lifebloom fall off the tank" and five minutes later you're dead and the group is disbanding.

Good stuff. Triage healing.
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Mazra wrote:
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Mazra wrote:
Unlike WOTLK, though, a wipe in Cataclysm happens 5-10 minutes before the wipe actually happens. It's the rolling snowball effect, and I absolutely hate it.

Just stop healing and let everyone die to prevent that 5~10 minutes =p


I would, except you don't know you're going to wipe at that time. You're just thinking "Oops, I let Lifebloom fall off the tank" and five minutes later you're dead and the group is disbanding.

Good stuff. Triage healing.

Being really honest, Mazra, once you overgear the heroic content, the triage really happens. Too bad you have to overgear it.
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Thanks for all the help guys. I will take all this into consideration, and work on famring rep, gemming and enchanting my gear. Hopefully things will get better. I will also probably level my shammy on the side...their healing looks beastly and fun.

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I will also probably level my shammy on the side...their healing looks beastly and fun.


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Brisin wrote:
Being really honest, Mazra, once you overgear the heroic content, the triage really happens. Too bad you have to overgear it.


So, letting someone die out of laziness isn't triage? Smiley: confused

Man, I got this all wrong then!
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Mazra wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Being really honest, Mazra, once you overgear the heroic content, the triage really happens. Too bad you have to overgear it.


So, letting someone die out of laziness isn't triage? Smiley: confused

Man, I got this all wrong then!

I only really let someone die when they just dont want to learn. Yesterday I had a pug group that had a rogue that just couldnt bother to move out of bad stuff and kept hitting mobs that werent the ones the tank was focusing in.
I got tired of healing him and he died 7 times. =]
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Brisin, welcome to my life. At first I felt bad that I couldn't keep every member alive, all the time, but they just keep pulling agro, and standing in the nasties. And yeah, they die, and now instead of feeling remorse, I get a good chuckle and a comical /p reprimand. Cata has definitely shifted individual survivability back on the individuals - unlike the old days, where the healer was expected to heal you, no matter how much sh*t you got yourself into. Gotta say, at times it is frustrating, because groups wipe faster, but at the same time, if you get a group of intelligent individuals, you can fly through content.
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Honestly, I don't have any difficulties with HCs since I replaced all my green stuff with blue gear. What I do is pretty much stack LB + Rej on the tank, then nourish him till we kill the pack. If a dps takes dmg I cast rej again. If two dps are damaged go with WG and etc. Swiftmend is used on run when I feel I had to. And I never go with Regr. unless its a matter of life and death.

However I'm now able to spam HT + Rej through the entire fight no matter if its a trash pull or a boss encounter.

The key is to achieve a good amount of combat regen, respectively spirit.

Occasionally someone will die, but if he doesn't do what it is supposed to, then anyway I can't save him. There are so many deadly abilities and everybody has to watch his own steps at first place.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 5:01am by Metosa
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You replaced your green gear with blue gear and was instantly able to keep the tank up with LB and Rejuv? Smiley: dubious

Color me skeptical, but I'm in full heroic gear now and I still have issues keeping tanks up with just LB and Rejuv. Most recently I had to spam HT with LB and Rejuv up just to prevent the tank from folding. Of course, we weren't using any CC (lolCC) and he was taking a royal beating, but still.

And I feel that Nourish really isn't worth it unless I've got three Rejuvs rolling. I find that LB + Rejuv on the tank and Wild Growth + Swiftmend on cooldown on ye random DPS (whoever takes damage) with Regrowth on OOC procs so I can pop Swiftmend is needed to keep the DPS up. I'm gemmed for intellect and that rotation gives me more mana back than I lose, so it's no biggie.

The issue lies in HT spam now. If the tank begins to drop, I have to cut AOE healing to nuke the tank, which often means the death of one or two DPS, which in turn prolongs the fight, causing me to go OOM or the tank to drop from the lack of HPS, because my HT spam keeps me GCD locked and unable to apply HoTs, which in turn cripples my direct healing.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 1:10pm by Mazra
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You replaced your green gear with blue gear and was instantly able to keep the tank up with LB and Rejuv? Smiley: dubious

Color me skeptical, but I'm in full heroic gear now and I still have issues keeping tanks up with just LB and Rejuv. Most recently I had to spam HT with LB and Rejuv up just to prevent the tank from folding. Of course, we weren't using any CC (lolCC) and he was taking a royal beating, but still.

And I feel that Nourish really isn't worth it unless I've got three Rejuvs rolling. I find that LB + Rejuv on the tank and Wild Growth + Swiftmend on cooldown on yet random DPS (whoever takes damage) with Regrowth on OOC procs so I can pop Swiftmend is needed to keep the DPS up. I'm gemmed for intellect and that rotation gives me more mana back than I lose, so it's no biggie.

The issue lies in HT spam now. If the tank begins to drop, I have to cut AOE healing to nuke the tank, which often means the death of one or two DPS, which in turn prolongs the fight, causing me to go OOM or the tank to drop from the lack of HPS, because my HT spam keeps me GCD locked and unable to apply HoTs, which in turn cripples my direct healing.


Is it melee DPS that die a lot? I bet it is. lolflorenece the tank on CD if it is those pesky melee DPS. I heal with mah priest, I let DPS get low all the time. Unless they fuck up real bad they can stay some where between 50-75% on most fights and be ok. If not tell them to learn to fucking kick sh¡t as that or lack of that is why they are dying.
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Yeah, it's usually melee dying and it's usually to TARDs.

I think I'll run a heroic with a "kick stuff, avoid fire or die a horrible death" attitude. If nothing else, it'll give me a reason to +1 in the popcorn thread.
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I'm fairly blunt about that sort of stuff. My one rogue friend is a kicking fiend, I like to run with him.
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Shˆt, even on my rogue, I've use Blind as an interrupt if Kick is on CD. Seriously most melee needs to l2kick.
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Prolly, I should have been more specific. LB+Rej+Nourish is enough to keep the tank topped off. If there is a spike damage throw Swiftmend at him. And if it isn't enough, go with HT.

Anyway, if I was in your position Mazra, I'd have changed my build a bit. I'd have moved the 3p from Nature's bounty to Blessing of the Groove (4% more heal through Rejuv) and Gift of the Earthmother. I'm not sure what your mana pool is, but I'd rather keep Furor 3/3 and Moonglow 2/3.

If you were going to raid heal, your build was just fine, but for the reason of running heroics only, it can be adjusted in my opinion. The situation with 3 rejuvs active most of the time in HC is pretty unusual and it basically means something's wrong with the pull or the group. At least I couldn't benefit from Nature's bounty when I was at that point.

And I'm not sure what your healing set is, but if you still doesn't feel confident and have mana issues, then probably gemming mainly +40intel could be successful. At least until you have acquired some epics with better stats.



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I have to pipe in here, myself. My druid, resto for our 10m, is at the bottom of the meters for heals. I know, I know, I'll probably catch some flak about even mentioning meters, but it still damages my ego.

Last night was the last straw: in our BoT run, our regular pally healer didn't show up, so a shaman in mostly blues was our 3rd healer. She beat me on the meters (not by much, but...wait, wut???)

This is not me slacking off. I've had this druid since I started playing in '06. Sometimes feral, but mostly resto for raids. And I have to say, the current state of affairs is horrible. I'm rolling LBs on one tank, HoTs on both tanks, rejuv's thrown around like candy on raid members, swiftmends, wild growth: I'm going all out, and come in dead last. Bah. The mana situation is tolerable at my gear level, but just.

Here's a link to her armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shadowsong/nimaweh/advanced

(At the moment her gloves and cape have no enchants, I just got them last night. I've been playing around with my reforging too, so that's a bit of a mess at the moment)

And people keep telling me resto healing is fine? I'd really like to have a chat with someone who is happy with things. Maybe they can give me pointers.



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