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#1 Mar 11 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
Decided to try out shadow on my priest last night as I'm starting to get kind of bored with Disc leveling, and I checked here first and the shadow sticky from 3.3 was down. I found it, just so I could get a reminder of rotation, but I am curious as to whether there's any shadow priests still here since most of the topics have been about disc and holy. :-p
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#2 Mar 11 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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Shadow priest? What's that?
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#3 Mar 11 2011 at 5:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fish still plays Shadow, I believe.
#4 Mar 11 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, Shadow isn't the way to level anymore?

I've got a very low level priest I'm going to be levelling soon, what is the way to level it?
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#5 Mar 11 2011 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Main is still shadow, but been spending a lot of time on unholy DK alt...
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#6 Mar 11 2011 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:

I've got a very low level priest I'm going to be levelling soon, what is the way to level it?


Really they've made it so you can level in any spec you want. My personal opinion is that shadow still has a clear edge on speed and efficiency, especially if you are mainly soloing/questing. But the healing trees are also viable ways to level now, and some people like them a lot; also if you like doing dungeons while leveling it's easier to get groups if you're a healer.

Edit: I'm also a fan of leveling in whatever specs you're considering being at endgame, since it's pretty easy to level any old way now without a penalty for choosing your favorite tree, and dual spec is so cheap (priests are nice because you can swap specs while leveling without carrying around a bunch of extra equipment).

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 10:42pm by teacake
#7 Mar 12 2011 at 1:18 AM Rating: Good
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Fish still plays Shadow, I believe.


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#8 Mar 12 2011 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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#9 Mar 12 2011 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm raising a SP Tauren for shoots and giggles - its only 30 but I'm lovin' it!

I still see plenty of SPs in the BGs and they don't seem to have lost any of the effectiveness I remember them having back in Wrath, if anything, the bastards seem to be even deadlier then before.

That said though, my girl's got an 85 troll SP (url=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kargath/sherina/simple]Sherina[/url]) and even though she's pulling a 346 item level she's been suffering from both DPS output and mana issues - only pulling around 5k or so and goes OOM at the drop of a hat.

Any suggestions on rotations, gems, reforge, chants, etc?
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#11 Mar 12 2011 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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My priest is shadow still leveling though, at 75 right now, i like shadow but have holy as second spec.
#12 Mar 12 2011 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
I have sporadic issues with that myself rusttle, and I'm only 62 lol. One thing I've noticed is that Devouring Plague is a huge waste of mana while killing trash. What I've found to be a good balance is to do VT, SW:P and then depending on how much life the mob has left, either Mind Flay or Mind Blast and then trying to end with SW:D as much as possible. That might or might not work at 85 of course, that's just what I've noticed. Also, generally speaking any DoT class wants to spread their DoTs over as many mobs as possible when killing trash.

I don't really have any questions exactly. At least not currently. I think I've got a handle on Shadow for questing and dungeons while leveling. Although I am curious as to what talents you'd recommend for leveling Fish. :-)

As far as which tree to level as, I find Disc to be a lot of fun at lower levels. It's especially helpful before level 30 when you get dual spec, because you can heal dungeons without switching specs, and you still do good damage. In fact I read an article a while back that said that up until 35 at least (he hadn't leveled past then at that point), Disc is actually faster than Shadow due to lack of mana issues and survivability.
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#13 Mar 12 2011 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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rusttle wrote:
I'm raising a SP Tauren for shoots and giggles - its only 30 but I'm lovin' it!

I still see plenty of SPs in the BGs and they don't seem to have lost any of the effectiveness I remember them having back in Wrath, if anything, the bastards seem to be even deadlier then before.

That said though, my girl's got an 85 troll SP (url=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kargath/sherina/simple]Sherina[/url]) and even though she's pulling a 346 item level she's been suffering from both DPS output and mana issues - only pulling around 5k or so and goes OOM at the drop of a hat.

Any suggestions on rotations, gems, reforge, chants, etc?


For gear, the first thing I notice is the helm reforge. Really minor, but the hit -> spirit reforge isn't necessary. I assume that's for the Holy off spec, so yeah, that's perfectly ok.

There's two major things I'm seeing.

First and most importantly, below Intellect, Haste is our #1 stat. Everything needs to have haste on it. Everything. It would be preferable if haste was on the item to begin with, but it needs to be there. I see a lot of gear with crit on it. Crit isn't bad, it's about equal to Mastery. But I really recommend reforging all that to Haste.

So, for reforging:

If it has haste, leave it alone.
If it doesn't, reforge Mastery or Crit to Haste.
If you have to choose between Mastery and Crit to reforge, choose Mastery.

Unless you're PvPing, +sta gems are fairly useless. Every gem needs to have +Int on it. Use Purified (Spirit/Int) for blue slots, and Reckless (Haste/Int) for yellow.

She's also about 1% above hit cap, so it's possible to reforge away some Hit to Haste. This takes priority over reforging away other stats. Being hit capped isn't even as important now a days, so you can dip below as far as you feel comfortable. I'm about 4% below hit cap, personally.
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#14 Mar 12 2011 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, for spells in PvE, here's a priority list:

Keep Dots Up > Mind Blast with 1+ orbs > Mind Flay

Keep Shadowfiend on cooldown, Mind Flay will reduce the cooldown considerably.

Archangel needs to be on cooldown, too. If you're still having mana problems, use Shadow Word: Death on cooldown, as well. Should solve most problems. I remember having mana problems at her gear level too, though, so just stick with it. It'll get easier.

When the mob drops below 25%, using Shadow Word: Death on cooldown takes priority over the others, too. Because of Shadow Form, Vampiric Embrace, and Pain and Suffering, her health really won't drop much, even on crits.

For AoE situations, it depends. Most of the time in Heroics, there won't be enough time to multi dot things before things start dieing. That shouldn't be a problem in raids, but in Heroics I reccomend just single targeting and Mind Spike + Mind Blasting them down. Don't bother with Mind Sear until 4.1 hits, the damage is still too low, and they'll be buffing it.

For a quick dieing mob, don't bother dotting. Just Mind Spike with Blast on cooldown. That's what the Spike spell was put in for.

In a Heroic, especially, try MCing things. I especially love going after casters, they often have a Chain Lightning spell which will be hella fun.

That should help her DPS jump conisderably. A lot to digest, I know, but once you get it down it's fairly easy.

Edited, Mar 13th 2011 12:55pm by IDrownFish
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#15 Mar 13 2011 at 3:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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But if I'm not in the Dagobah system why is Bacon awesome?

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#17 Mar 13 2011 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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But if I'm not in the Dagobah system why is Bacon awesome?


Dagoba Chocolate.
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#18 Mar 13 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
IDrownFish wrote:
Also, for spells in PvE, here's a priority list:

Keep Dots Up > Mind Blast with 1+ orbs > Mind Flay

Keep Shadowfiend on cooldown, Mind Flay will reduce the cooldown considerably.

Archangel needs to be on cooldown, too. If you're still having mana problems, use Shadow Word: Death on cooldown, as well. Should solve most problems. I remember having mana problems at her gear level too, though, so just stick with it. It'll get easier.

When the mob drops below 25%, using Shadow Word: Death on cooldown takes priority over the others, too. Because of Shadow Form, Vampiric Embrace, and Pain and Suffering, her health really won't drop much, even on crits.

For AoE situations, it depends. Most of the time in Heroics, there won't be enough time to multi dot things before things start dieing. That shouldn't be a problem in raids, but in Heroics I reccomend just single targeting and Mind Spike + Mind Blasting them down. Don't bother with Mind Sear until 4.1 hits, the damage is still too low, and they'll be buffing it.

For a quick dieing mob, don't bother dotting. Just Mind Spike with Blast on cooldown. That's what the Spike spell was put in for.

In a Heroic, especially, try MCing things. I especially love going after casters, they often have a Chain Lightning spell which will be hella fun.

That should help her DPS jump conisderably. A lot to digest, I know, but once you get it down it's fairly easy.

Edited, Mar 13th 2011 12:55pm by IDrownFish


Awesome post Fish. That'll be very useful once I hit 85 on my priest (which will hopefully be within the month).

Rusttle, her gem choice just in general is pretty atrocious, no offense intended. Considering haste is the best secondary stat as Fish said above, gemming and gearing is pretty similar to Boomkins, aside from the cloth vs. leather and wand vs. relic stuff.

She needs to ignore socket bonuses unless the bonus is 20 intellect or higher, and only gem +40 int. If the socket bonus is good and not red, blue should be int and spirit and yellow should be int and haste. Also, while her meta gem looks good for healing (although I don't know the bis healing meta), for dps she's going to want the Burning Shadowspirit Diamond. Also, Heartsong is a good healing enchant, but for dps she needs Hurricane on her weapon. It can be challenging to try and gear up for two different specs, so what I'd recommend is picking one to gear up first, and once that one is decked out in all the heroic gear it needs, then move on to the other spec. Mixing healing and dps gear/enchants together is going to make her performance in both mediocre.
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It's still awesome in Dagobah - nothing tastier then grilled swamp whale meat wrapped in bacon!
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#21 Apr 05 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Idrownfish when you said to dot everything first was there any special order to doting. I've read other places to use sw:p first and other get VT and DP on them first. This is of course in dungeons and not questing.
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Idrownfish when you said to dot everything first was there any special order to doting. I've read other places to use sw:p first and other get VT and DP on them first. This is of course in dungeons and not questing.


It doesn't make too much of a difference unless you're moving around a lot (in which case you can only pretty much use instants), but I can see the benefit of SW:P first. More ticks of that means more Orb generation.

I may have forgotten to mention it above, too, but make sure you keep up Empowered Shadows (the buff generated from consuming orbs) and Evangelism while multi-dotting. It'll help considerably.

SW:D as needed for mana.
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#23 Apr 07 2011 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Is there a baseline dps that I should be able to obtain when I first start doing dungeons at 85. Right now 84 and it seems that I'm in the 6k-7k range for most instances. I will post my armory link and I already know I will have some reforging and enchants and glyphs to buy. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/detheroc/boogatti/simple

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Imo normal level 85 dungeons should be fine with 6k-7k.
Try to get the rep rewards for exalted reputations and maybe there are quest rewards in Uldum that would be upgrades for some of your green stuff (too lazy to look it up myself).
That and some upgrades from said normal dungeons and you can start doing heroics.
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#26 Apr 28 2011 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Fish, what do you recommend doing with Mind Spike? From the few shadow priest guides I've been able to find online, it hasn't been mentioned for rotations. Considering it buffs the crit chance of MB, I'd think it would be a good spell to cast periodically. I'm still leveling, but I do try and do a random dungeon for the JP so it takes less time for me to gear up when I hit 85. On bosses I've been getting my DoT's up, then casting MB and two or three MF, then doing Mind Spike three times and starting over. Also using shadowfiend on CD. I'm doing okay damage so far, anywhere from 5 to 7k at 83. I just don't want to develop any bad habits. =x
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