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#1 Feb 28 2011 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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My baby druid is at 32, and he's had a talent point just sitting there for the past level and a half, because I can't decide what to put it in. :(

Right now, he's a kitty, so I grabbed the speed buff (naturally), and furor (naturally).
Next tier, Fury Swipes and Feral Aggression. Finally Feral charge.

Now... meh?

Besides Leader of the Pack, there isn't really anything I care about for a while. :( Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of great talents I can nab. The problem is that they're irrelevant right now--I do so much damage that nearly everything is dead in a rake, a mangle or two and ferocious bite. Don't need more CP from crits, because FB is mostly overkill as it is. Don't need more armor, because everything is dead long before I am. I'm not ravaging anything, I never have to heal after fights, no need for infected wounds, I never even use Tiger's Fury or Skull Bash--just no need.

:/

So I'm thinking of maybe going boomkin instead--just to make leveling more exciting. I have the set of SP heirlooms as well, after all. And there are fun toys at each tier. :P And by toys I mean "things that'll be fun to use even though I kill stuff just as fast LOL"

Of course, I'll lose my speed buff whenever I'm inside. :(

Decisions, decisions.

Things might be more interesting when I hit 36 and can start tanking dungeons (due to getting Swipe, finally). But for now...

This thread doesn't have a point, actually. I'm just avoiding work.

So I'll give it one! Why does Balance get all the fun toys?!?!?! What is up with that!?!?!

Treants, conjuring storms, turning into a moon chicken, bulba-bulba beams, exploding mushrooms, thorns, summoning beams of moon and sun fire, capturing your foe with roots grown out of the ground, causing meteor showers...

Cat's go rawr and bears go "AoE--crap." And they don't even get to Nom Nom Nom anymore. >:(

Feral needs toys!!! They should be able to summon other bears/cats for a short while or something! At the very least, let them use thorns while shifted!

That is all.
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#2 Mar 01 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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Don't hold your breath for level 36. I hear Druid tanking sucks until 66 where you finally get Lacerate. Until then it's Mangle, Swipe and Maul, all on cooldowns. And that's for single target fights as well.

If you stick to the Feral tree, get the Primal Fury and/or Leader of the Pack buffs. +5% crit, self-healing without changing and double combo points on crits are sweet abilities to have, especially if you do some dungeons.

Or you can go Boomkin, but I found it to be equally mind-numbing. Moonfire, Starsurge, Wrath, loot. Repeat ad nauseam.
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Maybe I should switch out the BoA weps for something else, to try and make it more interesting. :/
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Or just pull 10+ mobs at a time?
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Thorns means they all still drop dead super fast.
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Level up in Battlegrounds then and whenever you come across a Frost Mage, pretend that you can't shift out of their roots.
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I'm starting a new druid myself. Decided that paying to server-transfer and faction-change wasn't worth it, and for the same amount of money I could just level a character to the cap, and get to see what's changed on the horde side as a bonus.

Anyway it's going to be resto with a boomkin offspec. My love of feral has diminished as of late. Also typhooning someone back under a solarbeam sounds like fun, the redesigned thorns is good stuff too.
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lol

Unfortunately, ALL the mages are Frost mages while leveling. Just too much good there not to, unless you REALLY love fire.

Luckily, I've sworn off BGs for a while. I hope that the 40-49 bracket will finally have some semblance of balance in it--that's when I'll try again. As long as I'm not getting frickin' 1-3 shotted, I'm willing to try.

Though I can tell that feral PvP just isn't for me. I don't like feeling constrained by energy, and I am hardcore missing my DK's utility spells. Strangulate+Chains of Ice+Mind Freeze, why did you leave me? T.T

And having NO ranged options just isn't fun after you get used to playing a Mage/DK, lol.
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#9 Mar 01 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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the redesigned thorns is good stuff too.


I still miss the old one, but I'll admit the new one is far more useful. I just really loved the old thorns.
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I certainly didn't mind the old version of it either, but now it's like you can actually feel it doing something. Glyph it for 80% up-time, cast it on your tank, and help with the aggro problems. Smiley: thumbsup
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What aggro problems?
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You've never had a tank with aggro problems? Smiley: dubious

Edit: I mean it doesn't fix stupid, but if he/she is a little under-geared it can help...

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Your bear tank will certainly be very happy with you.
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You've never had a tank with aggro problems? Smiley: dubious


I was trying to be funny. Didn't work well. Smiley: frown
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You've never had a tank with aggro problems? Smiley: dubious



I was trying to be funny. Didn't work well. Smiley: frown


Wouldn't worry; I've barely slept the last 2 nights so humor doesn't sink in before coffee. Smiley: rolleyes
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#17 Mar 01 2011 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, so the Starsurge tooltip lies!?!?

Because am I wrong, but when I have a solar eclipse proc, wouldn't SS be more useful if it was extending the amount of time I was in the eclipse state? Instead, it gives the opposite. :/

I do not approve. >:(
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Ah, nvm, I see. It's because they changed it from beta--you used to be able to gain power even when eclipsed.
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Ah, nvm, I see. It's because they changed it from beta--you used to be able to gain power even when eclipsed.


Edits are for the weak. :P
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Edits are for the weak. :P


Lol, my internet has been hating Zam lately for some reason. Half my edits just...don't happen, which means I have to redo them.

So if it's acting up, I just make a new post instead. No clue why they are working differently.

The +1 effect is a nice little addition. :D
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#21 Mar 02 2011 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
edits are not a good way of increasing your post count.
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This.

I should edit less.
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We should just disable the feature. Xsarus, make it happen!
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#24 Mar 02 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Do it like a baws!
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If I didn't edit, people would never read my posts. They'd be full of bad grammar with like 5 extra meaningless posts after them. Let's just say I delete a lot of the extra "edited on" lines. If I didn't edit my posts would look like this:

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and I don't really like how that looks either... Smiley: frown

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If you spent a tenth of the time you use to edit to post new things, you'd be in the top 250.
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It's just this darn irrational and addictive fear of grammer *****. Well, that laced with a little PTSD from high school English classes. *shivers*




I still fear using the word 'that' in a sentence...

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Lol, the grammar ***** on Allah (like me) stop once your post is legible. L337 speakers are the ones that need to die. And high school left me with a fear of commas and "but." :P

In other news, I'm enjoying boomkin. But still suffering from some of the "useless talent" issues. Because my Starsurge crits for 1.2k... I can kill an elite in just a few casts. >.<

But the spec at least has built in variety. With my kitty, it was always Rake>Mangle>Ferocious Bite (well, maybe 2 mangles... maybe).

But with my boomkin, I'll sometimes be using Wrath, sometimes Starfire. Whenever I enter an eclipse state, especially Solar, I grab a bunch of enemies with Insect Swarm (or MF) and let Thorns destroy them as I laugh maniacally. :D

It also taxes my brain SLIGHTLY more by making me calculate my power in reference to my spells.
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For crying out loud, Digg. Just go 0/0/0 and kill **** in Travel Form.

Sheesh! Smiley: rolleyes

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No no no, I think he's onto something...

Root -> Silence -> /laugh = win

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For crying out loud, Digg. Just go 0/0/0 and kill sh*t in Travel Form.

Sheesh! Smiley: rolleyes

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That's how I quest. Its a very pro tip suggestion.
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lol, but that takes all the fun out of talent points. :P
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grammAr.




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Oh my god, stop being such a grammar ****, ElMuneco!

Gosh!
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See this is why I edit things 10 times.

Now if we could just get edits to count towards your post count... Smiley: thumbsup
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See this is why I edit things 10 times.

Now if we could just get edits to count towards your post count... Smiley: thumbsup


I'd need 10k posts added to my count.
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See this is why I edit things 10 times.

Now if we could just get edits to count towards your post count... Smiley: thumbsup


I'd need 10k posts added to my count.


I'd need less, I stopped editing except for horrible spellings/grammar a long time ago.
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I'd need less, I stopped editing except for horrible spellings/grammar a long time ago.


Before or after the 5k or bust deal?

Careful, they might bust that deal retroactively if they find out you've been padding the count. Smiley: sly
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So....this became another Bored Druid thread or something? I want in.
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So....this became another Bored Druid thread or something? I want in.


Wait, isn't this..?

Crap, I thought this was the Bored Druid thread. I'm not really seeing straight right now. Had some after work brews. And some evening brews. Just finished off with some late night brews, to be honest.

I'm going to bed. Stop derailing stuff, Brisin, god! Smiley: oyvey

Woops, typo.

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It was like 90% bored druid to begin with, lol.
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Before or after the 5k or bust deal?

Careful, they might bust that deal retroactively if they find out you've been padding the count. Smiley: sly


I would never pad my post count ever in a million years.
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LOL, Hunter weapon. :3

Suddenly I miss Vanilla. D:
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Hmmm....I almost lost the staff from Halfus to a hunter last night. Sense prevailed and he gave it to me as Mastery is not too good for him and it is our best (secondary) stat.

They wouldn't let a warrior roll on their bow, so why roll against us for our weapons!

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Hmmm....I almost lost the staff from Halfus to a hunter last night. Sense prevailed and he gave it to me as Mastery is not too good for him and it is our best (secondary) stat.

They wouldn't let a warrior(rogues as well) roll on their bow, so why roll against us for our weapons!



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I thought Mastery was the best stat for SV Hunters?

My Theo sense is tingling.
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Nope, Hunters don't like Mastery right now. It's tied with haste in last for MM, and either tied with haste or worse than haste for SV.
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What, worse than haste for SV? I thought SV went haste until a certain point and then stacked mastery?

Did something change?

Edit: EJ puts mastery last or second to last as well. Makes no sense, I could've sworn it said something else a while back.

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It makes sense. MM's mastery is pretty weak. A % chance for an extra auto-attack? :/ All kinds of lame. Apparently, mastery is only making up like 10% of their damage.

Which isn't horrible, per se. But it's worse than everything else. By buffing your Agi, you make everything stronger (including WQ shots). By buffing crit, you make everything stronger (including WQ shots). By buffing haste, you make many things stronger (and get more WQ shots). By buffing mastery you... get 1.5% more WQ shots per point.

Why wouldn't you just buff crit by 1%, considering it affects everything? :/

As for suvival, I honestly have no clue:

1. Explosive shot (random WoL person-- 22.7%)
2. Cobra shot (21.4%)
3. Auto shot (13.1%)
4. Serpent Sting (9.6%)
5. Improved Serpent Sting (9.4%)
6. Everything else.

Mastery should be buffing a lot of that.

I can only assume, since Survival's mastery doesn't have a strong bonus (1% per point), that things like crit and hit are beating it because they just apply to more of the damage. If the bonus was higher, they might like it more.

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Actually I think it does make sense.

Hit is more important, as the bulk of their damage comes from an ability with a 6 sec CD. Plus, they use shots that need to connect to restore their focus, so they can use more.

Crit takes 179.28 rating to get 1%.
Mastery takes the same.

So that 1% to crit buffs all their damage by 1%. The 1% to mastery would only buff some of their damage.

Haste wouldn't be as good, but it only takes 128.x rating for 1%, so you get more bang for the buck to make up for the difference.

So the problem is that Wild Quiver sucks and Essence of the Viper doesn't buff by enough per point.

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The thing with haste and mastery as SV right now seems to be that it varies in importance depending on some breakpoints or something.

Kinda like Resto Druids and haste vs. mastery, which I think is funneh.

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