Ret dps so lowFollow

I haven't really seen any Retadins doing more than 6500, either, but I also haven't see our Rets using Inquisition properly.

Proper use of Inquisition which should be up most of the time along side of Holy Wrath should send your DPS skyrocketing. Remember, though, that over the course of the game Retadin's utility has also grown to the point that it is now arguably the best support class in the game!

Just a lil ego boost for you:

Plate Wearer with Massive Armor and Taunt can OT for special scripts or for runaway agro

Permanent increase in group's DPS

The most consistent Replenish in the game

Taunt + repentance make you one of the most agile and effective anti-humainoid CC

Hands of Freedom, Salvation, and Protection can drastically alter the course of battle

Heals and especially cleanses can alleviate the healer's job and help them conserve mana

Obviously you're going to want to stay DPSing most of the time, but to be honest most classes don't have so many options when things go awry. Your DPS priorities have become complicated and long, but just consider that a challenge!

Ah yes, indeed!

Wow that's been there since like 2002, too, in the age before Browser Spell Check!! Damn you technology!!!!!

Same as Art I am hitting 10K + in heroics, my average Ilevel is now 346 but I do tend to do a ton of support. As the rest of my 5 man team is gearing up that support roll is lessening and I can focus more on pure DPS even.

But let me tell you LoH when you are sporting 120k HP in Ret gear is a pretty big game changer when you save it for a bad boss fight moment for the tank or healer.

I also pop holy radiance and even toss around some WoGs when need be.

I do feel like some classes are scaling faster than us even when we are played very clean. Inq Up. Zealotry used on cooldown. Good prioritizing of Exo etc. Popping wings and Gaurdian.

All of that makes Ret way more interesting than its ever been. And like Artemis said I'm kinda happy its separating the facerollers from the good Ret players.

In the end I think we will need some adjustment to mastery beyond a slight increase to our proc lottery. Becuase right now it's feast or famine sometimes by the will of RNG. But we are not in too bad a place if played with skill.

Looking forward to hitting some raids over holiday break to see how things pan out now that my guild is getting mostly 5 man heroic geared. I may eat my words if we don't scale the way I hope. ;)

I just do my normal single target rotation on the highest hp mob in range on trash pulls. Divine storm, and our aoe damage in general is abysmal. Consecration is stupidly expensive for the amount of damage it does. Holy wrath....i just don't understand what it's for, outside of glyphing it to stun stuff.

Absolutely loving the utility we have though, like the healing power that'sd already been mentioned. I'm also the appointed "interrupter of stuff" on our guild runs cause in SFK i was catching every cursed bullet cast with rebuke. Almost every boss has stuff you can rebuke to make the fight easier.

Somewhat off topic, spent an hour today spamming troll digsites, no zinrokh. I'm not giving up though!

Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 9:30pm by ArtemisEnteri

Glyphed holy wrath is amazing. Not for damage but as a AOE stunning interrupt. So many things are dragonkin or elemental now.

I think focus fire is better than AoE now in most heroic situations anyway. Its hard on the healer to have every mob slowly die but still stay up doing damage. Much much better to CC 1-2 kill the most dangerous one first, next one next. Dead mobs are not hitting the tank.

Take the shooting stars pull in Vortex pinnacle for example. If you run in there and just start spamming AOE your group is going to eat the full potential damage of all stars for much longer. We mark at least 3 to focus fire. That way those 3 drop really fast and the damage from the remaining stars becomes very manageable as you clean them up.

Anyway OP your pug that kicked you were just ****** Pugs like the real world are full of stupid people who are overly aggressive all the time as a defense mechanism to try and make up for lack of ability.

I saw some log parses yesterday of some of the new 25 raid fights at MMO champ from a ret pally. RNG played most likely to big a roll in how high the Ret was but he was doing very well all the same. 16-18k sustained. He was number 2-5 on melee freindly fights that allowed focused boss time and dropped down to 8-10th on movement and target switch fights. Pretty typical for Ret from my experience.

I do think they will make some adjustments to mastery and tweak some things so our baseline DPS is slightly more stable before procs once all the dust from cata settles and they start seeing more solid info on raid performance.



Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 8:56am by Shojindo

Tanked VP with 2 Rets with glyphed HW. No CC needed like a Wrath heroic til the healer bailed.

Yeah its a whole new paradigm right now. Support is actually extremely useful. I am at a cusp right now trying to decide this week what to make my main. I was playing my SV hunter last night in H SFk and the tank got really low due to a bad surprise stair pull add. I wanted to reach for my LoH really bad lol.


This should help tons:



Inquisition affecting TV CS and DS? Count me in! Divine purpose giving a free 3 HoPo instead of 1 by procing HoL? Sweeet. Go go patch.

Gear just on the cusp of moving to heroics (331 counting both my holy gear and alchemist's stone - gogogo mastery changes), and I'm sitting in the same 6-7k zone. I have a lot of experience as feral dps, including a lot of BGs, so a lot of the "innovations" - in particular Inquisition, weren't as much of a shock to my system. I'm sure I'd be higher if I was purely DPSing, but there are too many encounters where the utility of rebuke, cleansing, and instant heals (Holy Radiance, WoG, LoH), in this new world order, are much more powerful than 1k extra damage. In guild groups, at least, we realize that on most fights control is much more important than raw power, but I do fear the reaction of the PuG world, who only recognize one thing (I would say "only understand", but it's clear that they don't really understand it, either).

That said, like for cats, I think the secret is controlling the flow of information. And that doesnt' mean just which of the FCFS abilities are up. Maintaining inquisition is going to be even more important when more Holy damage gets patched in, and, like Savage Roar, that means very visibly tracking the time left so you can plan on the fly. I know I need to find a place to watch for when Zealotry is available along with the other two long cooldowns.

There's a lot to keep track of. I'm trying to work on my interface to get to the point where everything I need to see is front and center and nothing more. That's going to take some effort.

Freezing trap, wyvern, scatter, concussive. So many tools to CC mobs with, I can single handedly CC enough of just about any pull in any heroic so that any tank who doesn't break my CC can tank it without issues.

Well I did 13.5-14k DPS on our 10 man Pit Lord Argaloth (TB Boss) kill last night. Which was higher than anyone else in my casual guild raid. That felt purty good. I was 21.6% of total damage with the next closest down a warrior at like 17%.

Now this is a perfect Ret fight. Mostly tank and spank with lots of time on the boss except for a short run away to spread fell fire away from the boss so you can continue to DPS until the re-cluster phase.

I figured out partially why Ret does not look as shiny on overall damage in 5 mans as well. Ever since the DPS I run with started getting better geared we are all killing any trash add in heroics before it even gets 5 stacks of seal for censure. We are more bosskillers now than trash man super stars, which is fine. And I already knew that from WoTLK but sometimes its hard to accept after being such a top dog in both aspects.

Link in my sig is my ret set. My Prot set is actually higher just becuase there happen to be more epic rep rewards. But I am all in i346 JP or Heroic. With one epic rep belt and an epic rep neck later tonight after work when I can finish my Rama rep. I may look into some BS crafted pieces sometime soon as well once I have gotten all the available rep pieces.

My guild just started raiding a bit last week. Though I was not there for most due to the holidays.

Ah ok, I was at 15k dps with equal gear on my SV hunter so guessing that the classes/specs dps potential is pretty similar on bosses