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#1 Dec 20 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hai.

I'm makin my hunter my main now, cuz rogues get hurt when soloing. Smiley: frown

So... HI!
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#2 Dec 20 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Crap... I mean hey Theo welcome to the party!
#3 Dec 20 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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It's the universe balancing itself out.
I had to try and educate a hunter that needed on a tank ring and healer cloth in strat today because we couldn't kick him.
I tried to direct him here but I don't think he spoke English.
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#4 Dec 20 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's the universe balancing itself out.
I had to try and educate a hunter that needed on a tank ring and healer cloth in strat today because we couldn't kick him.
I tried to direct him here but I don't think he spoke English.

That hunter was me. Smiley: frown
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#5 Dec 21 2010 at 2:59 AM Rating: Good
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You should know better than to roll a tauren hunter Theo. Orc or bust!
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#6 Dec 21 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
Omg welcome Theo, maybe not the hunter forums will be less boring!
#7 Dec 21 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
You should know better than to roll a tauren hunter Theo. Orc or bust!

Pfft, **** you. Goblin haste increases the rate that you recover focus, they have rocket jump, and look 100,000x better than orcs.

Smiley: schooled
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#8 Dec 21 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
I want to race change to goblin. I'm tired of looking at my troll.
#9 Dec 21 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
I want to race change to goblin. I'm tired of looking at my troll.

Highly recommended. Goblins have awesome animations, the best racials, and bank access without being engineers.

Not exactly sure how haste ends up being for hunters, but it's on-par with orcs for DPS where rogues are concerned. I'd assume it's pretty close for hunters, too.
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#10 Dec 21 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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From my playing with the spreadsheet haste was either good or pretty ******* bad.
Also, my orc is hawt so orc or bust.
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#11 Dec 21 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
From my playing with the spreadsheet haste was either good or pretty @#%^ing bad.
Also, my orc is hawt so orc or bust.

Well, going off the basis that haste increases focus regeneration, I'm gonna go with good. Smiley: tongue

Orcs do have the bonus 5% damage for their pets, though.
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#12 Dec 21 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
I guess racial haste is pretty good. Haste as a whole seems to be kind of bleh for hunters, yeah focus regen but that's about it, mastery or crit I think is better depending on your spec. I think haste is just kind of there to be there.
#13 Dec 22 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Good
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No I mean that once you reach a certain point, haste goes from 0.8 or 0.9 dps per point to 0.2.
And for BM, from what I've done with the spreadsheet it gives mastery as 0.3 dps per point where crit is still at 0.8ish and agility at 1.4.
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#14 Dec 22 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
So I'm better off reforging mastery/haste to crit rather than reforging for mastery? Though that will suck needing multiple gear sets with different reforges on it for different specs.

That just for BM, what about SV?
#15 Dec 23 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't looked into SV yet, nor much into BM. So far I'm just going by instinct and doing ±9.5-11.5k on heroic bosses (at ilevel 335) so considering my still rusty as **** skills I'm not too unhappy with the results.
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#16 Dec 23 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 5:57pm by Aethien
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#17 Dec 23 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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The Spreadsheet wrote:
Note: Different quantities of haste will vary significantly in value due to shot shifting.
And that's no exaggeration.
With a difference of 44 haste, haste went from being worth 1.1dps per point to 0.2 dps per point.

I actually got Haste to go to being worth -0.051 dps per point with some reforging.
And for BM, Crit seems to be just as much of an unreliable funhouse.
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#18 Dec 23 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
So for BM at what point does haste suck ***? I figured I should just stat mastery for BM.
#19 Dec 23 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Mastery is consistently worth ***.
It varies between 0.3 and 0.5, for both BM and SV for as far as I've seen.

And at what point haste takes a dive... no @#%^ing clue, it seems to change depending on crit, weapon speed and change at a lot of points.
The same happens with crit btw, only to a slightly lesser extend.

The most noticable, and disheartening, thing I've discovered is that a .1 slower attack speed on my weapon can be worth up to 100 dps depending on the haste I have, but rarely goes below 30 dps (which is still about 8x as much as 1 weapon dps.)
a.k.a. we're back to vanilla/BC where weapon speed > all.

Haste underlined, crit bolded. look what happens to them when I change 22 crit into 22 haste.

Ranged Speed + 0.1 - 51.625
Ranged DPS + 1 ----- 3.675
Agility + 1 -------- 1.974
Hit + 1 ------------ 1.497
Haste Rating + 1 -- 0.979
Attack Power + 1 -- 0.761
Mastery Rating + 1 - 0.470
Crit Rating + 1 --- 0.316

Reforging weapon 22 crit into 22 haste
+21.9 dps

Ranged Speed + 0.1 - 25.413
Ranged DPS + 1 ----- 3.626
Agility + 1 -------- 2.279
Hit + 1 ------------ 1.283
Crit Rating + 1 --- 1.254
Attack Power + 1 --- 0.763
Mastery Rating + 1 - 0.472
Haste Rating + 1 -- 0.149



Edit: what I think is the most important thing we can get from this is that gearing your hunter right is now impossible without the spreadsheet.
Edit 2: From reading EJ, as SV you even want WotLK meta and agi enchants because Agi is so much better than other stats.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 8:57pm by Aethien
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#20 Dec 23 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Edit 2: From reading EJ, as SV you even want WotLK meta and agi enchants because Agi is so much better than other stats.

It's the same for Sub rogues, they're currently using the 22 Agi cloak enchant.
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#21 Dec 23 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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22 agi cloak, 20 agi gloves, 21 agi/3%crit meta, 50 AP bracer enchant depending on your gear unless you have LW (130 agi), the blue tank leg armor is better than the blue dps leg armor, but epic versions the dps is better again.

And see my long post for what stats do after every tiny little change.


Also Female Dwarf is the ONLY way to determine if a piece of gear is an upgrade or not at the moment.
Neither EJ nor the top hunters have any clue as to how to gear yet.

Edit: And I forgot, PvP gloves > any PvE gloves because they reduce the cooldown on black arrow.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 9:41pm by Aethien
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#22 Dec 23 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
So right now it's pretty much, **** all other stats except for agi, don't reforge anything? Gem pretty much hit and agi? For all specs?
#23 Dec 24 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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No.
It's stare at femaledwarf until your eyes bleed trying to find what works best through trial and error.
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#24 Dec 24 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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So i'm guessing Mighty agility to 2 hander and exceptional agility for 1 handers is the way to got for enchants on all our hunter weapons right? (because most of the new cool looking enchants only work on spells and melee XD )

Edited, Dec 24th 2010 7:33am by Gutler
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#25 Dec 24 2010 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Gutler wrote:
So i'm guessing Mighty agility to 2 hander and exceptional agility for 1 handers is the way to got for enchants on all our hunter weapons right? (because most of the new cool looking enchants only work on spells and melee XD )
Yes.




1 hander enchants are so far behind that there's barely a point in looking at one handed weapons
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#26 Dec 24 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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I recently picked up Rockslicer from heroic deadmines which replaced my Staff of dragonic pacification from the quest in twilight highlands, one good thing about the new engineering goggles is you can completely tailor their stats to your needs using cogs.



Edited, Dec 24th 2010 12:37pm by Gutler
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