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#1 Dec 20 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hai.

I'm makin my hunter my main now, cuz rogues get hurt when soloing. Smiley: frown

So... HI!
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#2 Dec 20 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Crap... I mean hey Theo welcome to the party!
#3 Dec 20 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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I had to try and educate a hunter that needed on a tank ring and healer cloth in strat today because we couldn't kick him.
I tried to direct him here but I don't think he spoke English.
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#4 Dec 20 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's the universe balancing itself out.
I had to try and educate a hunter that needed on a tank ring and healer cloth in strat today because we couldn't kick him.
I tried to direct him here but I don't think he spoke English.

That hunter was me. Smiley: frown
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#5 Dec 21 2010 at 2:59 AM Rating: Good
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You should know better than to roll a tauren hunter Theo. Orc or bust!
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#6 Dec 21 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
Omg welcome Theo, maybe not the hunter forums will be less boring!
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
You should know better than to roll a tauren hunter Theo. Orc or bust!

Pfft, @#%^ you. Goblin haste increases the rate that you recover focus, they have rocket jump, and look 100,000x better than orcs.

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#8 Dec 21 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
I want to race change to goblin. I'm tired of looking at my troll.
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Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
I want to race change to goblin. I'm tired of looking at my troll.

Highly recommended. Goblins have awesome animations, the best racials, and bank access without being engineers.

Not exactly sure how haste ends up being for hunters, but it's on-par with orcs for DPS where rogues are concerned. I'd assume it's pretty close for hunters, too.
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#10 Dec 21 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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From my playing with the spreadsheet haste was either good or pretty @#%^ing bad.
Also, my orc is hawt so orc or bust.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
From my playing with the spreadsheet haste was either good or pretty @#%^ing bad.
Also, my orc is hawt so orc or bust.

Well, going off the basis that haste increases focus regeneration, I'm gonna go with good. Smiley: tongue

Orcs do have the bonus 5% damage for their pets, though.
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#12 Dec 21 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
I guess racial haste is pretty good. Haste as a whole seems to be kind of bleh for hunters, yeah focus regen but that's about it, mastery or crit I think is better depending on your spec. I think haste is just kind of there to be there.
#13 Dec 22 2010 at 3:01 AM Rating: Good
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No I mean that once you reach a certain point, haste goes from 0.8 or 0.9 dps per point to 0.2.
And for BM, from what I've done with the spreadsheet it gives mastery as 0.3 dps per point where crit is still at 0.8ish and agility at 1.4.
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#14 Dec 22 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
So I'm better off reforging mastery/haste to crit rather than reforging for mastery? Though that will suck needing multiple gear sets with different reforges on it for different specs.

That just for BM, what about SV?
#15 Dec 23 2010 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't looked into SV yet, nor much into BM. So far I'm just going by instinct and doing ±9.5-11.5k on heroic bosses (at ilevel 335) so considering my still rusty as @#%^ skills I'm not too unhappy with the results.
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#16 Dec 23 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 5:57pm by Aethien
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#17 Dec 23 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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The Spreadsheet wrote:
Note: Different quantities of haste will vary significantly in value due to shot shifting.
And that's no exaggeration.
With a difference of 44 haste, haste went from being worth 1.1dps per point to 0.2 dps per point.

I actually got Haste to go to being worth -0.051 dps per point with some reforging.
And for BM, Crit seems to be just as much of an unreliable funhouse.
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#18 Dec 23 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
So for BM at what point does haste suck ass? I figured I should just stat mastery for BM.
#19 Dec 23 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Mastery is consistently worth ass.
It varies between 0.3 and 0.5, for both BM and SV for as far as I've seen.

And at what point haste takes a dive... no @#%^ing clue, it seems to change depending on crit, weapon speed and change at a lot of points.
The same happens with crit btw, only to a slightly lesser extend.

The most noticable, and disheartening, thing I've discovered is that a .1 slower attack speed on my weapon can be worth up to 100 dps depending on the haste I have, but rarely goes below 30 dps (which is still about 8x as much as 1 weapon dps.)
a.k.a. we're back to vanilla/BC where weapon speed > all.

Haste underlined, crit bolded. look what happens to them when I change 22 crit into 22 haste.

Ranged Speed + 0.1 - 51.625
Ranged DPS + 1 ----- 3.675
Agility + 1 -------- 1.974
Hit + 1 ------------ 1.497
Haste Rating + 1 -- 0.979
Attack Power + 1 -- 0.761
Mastery Rating + 1 - 0.470
Crit Rating + 1 --- 0.316

Reforging weapon 22 crit into 22 haste
+21.9 dps

Ranged Speed + 0.1 - 25.413
Ranged DPS + 1 ----- 3.626
Agility + 1 -------- 2.279
Hit + 1 ------------ 1.283
Crit Rating + 1 --- 1.254
Attack Power + 1 --- 0.763
Mastery Rating + 1 - 0.472
Haste Rating + 1 -- 0.149



Edit: what I think is the most important thing we can get from this is that gearing your hunter right is now impossible without the spreadsheet.
Edit 2: From reading EJ, as SV you even want WotLK meta and agi enchants because Agi is so much better than other stats.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 8:57pm by Aethien
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#20 Dec 23 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Edit 2: From reading EJ, as SV you even want WotLK meta and agi enchants because Agi is so much better than other stats.

It's the same for Sub rogues, they're currently using the 22 Agi cloak enchant.
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#21 Dec 23 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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22 agi cloak, 20 agi gloves, 21 agi/3%crit meta, 50 AP bracer enchant depending on your gear unless you have LW (130 agi), the blue tank leg armor is better than the blue dps leg armor, but epic versions the dps is better again.

And see my long post for what stats do after every tiny little change.


Also Female Dwarf is the ONLY way to determine if a piece of gear is an upgrade or not at the moment.
Neither EJ nor the top hunters have any clue as to how to gear yet.

Edit: And I forgot, PvP gloves > any PvE gloves because they reduce the cooldown on black arrow.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 9:41pm by Aethien
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#22 Dec 23 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
So right now it's pretty much, @#%^ all other stats except for agi, don't reforge anything? Gem pretty much hit and agi? For all specs?
#23 Dec 24 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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No.
It's stare at femaledwarf until your eyes bleed trying to find what works best through trial and error.
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#24 Dec 24 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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So i'm guessing Mighty agility to 2 hander and exceptional agility for 1 handers is the way to got for enchants on all our hunter weapons right? (because most of the new cool looking enchants only work on spells and melee XD )

Edited, Dec 24th 2010 7:33am by Gutler
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#25 Dec 24 2010 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Gutler wrote:
So i'm guessing Mighty agility to 2 hander and exceptional agility for 1 handers is the way to got for enchants on all our hunter weapons right? (because most of the new cool looking enchants only work on spells and melee XD )
Yes.




1 hander enchants are so far behind that there's barely a point in looking at one handed weapons
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#26 Dec 24 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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I recently picked up Rockslicer from heroic deadmines which replaced my Staff of dragonic pacification from the quest in twilight highlands, one good thing about the new engineering goggles is you can completely tailor their stats to your needs using cogs.



Edited, Dec 24th 2010 12:37pm by Gutler
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#27 Dec 24 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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I have been putting off playing the numbers game until now, mostly because the rest of my guild is slow and I hit 85 well most. Now that I have started messing around on the spreadsheet and looking at Aethien's work here all I can think is wtf did they do to us.

Now granted I have just started leveling my shadow priest and havn't looked into any other classes to much, but do any other classes have such messed up numbers as us? I am almost to the point of throwing my hands up at it and waiting until my guild starts running more and hoping the numbers balance out.
#28 Dec 28 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
Hai.

I'm makin my hunter my main now, cuz Ret is an OCD proc lotto torture now.

So... HI!




in before Hunter is the new FoTM!


Also Orc FTW.


Edited, Dec 28th 2010 2:28pm by Shojindo
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#29 Dec 28 2010 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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That better be female orc.
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#30 Dec 28 2010 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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That better be female orc.


Nope! He is a grizzled old orc weathered by time in the wild with a cool white braid. Was my main in BC.

So first heroic I do today I get SFK. Can't see crap and stairs pulls with all kinds of LoS breaks lol. Was still fun and we plowed on through.
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#31 Dec 28 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
I finally hit 329 ilvl. I have yet to run a heroic and haven't even ran all the dungeons yet. I try to wait for guild runs since right now I don't feel like dealing with stupid people during runs.
#32 Dec 29 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
And they will be stupid. I did some pug regs on my hunter this week and most pugs still think aoe facerolling is how things get done. Poor healers lol. I got all the heroics done on my pally with a guild group. We were patient, we figured out strats, and accepted our wipes when we messed up.

All in all heroics are getting a bit faster now that we know all the pulls and don't talk about the CC. Tank marks them up we each know our mark and we take care of biz.

Switching from Ret to hunter today was interesting getting used to trap launcher. I overshot the mob a couple times after our shammy hexed first.

I'm actually not 100% certain of what I will main yet this xp pack. Giving the hunter a try this week to see how it feels but I still took my pally to our Bastion of Twilight raid. There is just so much raid damage on Halfus. I might miss my self heals from Ret on my Hunter.

But I suppose when my guilds healers get a bit more geared I will not have to rely on my self to stay alive as much if the tanks miss an interrupt on the shadow pulse or I am getting slammed by the Proto Drake.

Have you started any of the new raids yet Aeth? We are just getting our feet wet this week. Got Halfus to 40% tonight and I think we can take him tomorrow, just ran out of time.
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#33 Dec 29 2010 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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Nah, I'm not raiding yet. Mainly because my guild only has about 8 active people Smiley: tongue (And that's AFTER a merge that doubled our size!)
If/when we get to enough people to raid we will but we only want people who share the same attitude.
That said, EU people should come and say hi to us.



As far as PuGs, I did a LFD heroic last night.
Entered halfway through the first boss of Tol'Vir so I start dpsing.
People soon start dying, including the healer who then types in /p "we should avoid the green things on the ground" Yeah, no, really? I thought that was obvious after this many years of WoW.
Another try, healer dies and in the end everyone but the warlock dies before the boss, followed by applause for the warlock by the tank. (Not that the lock did anything but dps so not sure why he deserved applause).
And on to the Next boss it is, I check recount after a thrashpull went bad and noticed the DK doing 3.8k dps so I kick him which causes the tank to leave as they're buddies.
New dps, new tank and I notice the tank is from a certain failguild on my server plus he only has 123k hp... oh boy. He says he knows what CC means though so that's one thing.
We manage to kill the croc boss without too many hiccups and we only have about 6 or 7 mana breaks and 1 wipe during the trash leading up to the next boss. (Appaently the tank knew what CC was but wasn't quite sure how not to break it)
There the dps manages to pull the one trashpack I had hoped we could skip during the fight and it's a wipe. We kill the trash and get back to the boss.
Where there is then yet another wipe, this time because the tank is happily letting the bird hit him in the ass.
And that's where I left before I died, I'm sticking to guild groups with people who are not retarded for now.

Edited, Dec 29th 2010 10:26am by Aethien
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#34 Dec 29 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
Lmao, yup thats pretty much how it goes. Many of the heroic encounters are virtual 5 man raids now and require actual coordination and tactics. There are people from my guild I don't even trust to come with us.

Ranged guy pull the pheonix over to the wall out of the way and burn it until its an egg. When it rehatches burn it again then switch back to the boss. Orange sunbeam on head is bad move your ass. When he seperates us from our body tank will kite the shadow phoenix. Thats a heavy damage phase. Help the healer out by eating a cookie,potion, gnome jerky until we come back out to normal. Repeat live side.

And thats a simple fight. Who wants to explain that to puggers though who are 5 sec's away from tunnel visioning the boss until they die from fire.


I don't think pugs will ever be able to do the second boss in BRC in heroic as it stands. Block beams on two cultists in a rotation until you have 70 stacks and swap out. Let your stacks drop off and swap out again.(Karazan anyone?) Kill the free cultist when it transforms into a dragon and for the love of god interrupt his slow casting "Ima kill you now for 100k" strike. Burn the boss while maintaining the swap rotation on last two cultists. Ohh and if you let your stack get to 100 you transform into a dragon guy and kill your party.

Maybe I should make macro's to try and teach stuff like that to pugs. It could be my lifetime mission. Johnny Pugteaching Seed.

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#35 Dec 29 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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When we run with a guild group we ignore the phoenix, it's damage isn't high enough to bother killing it.
Second boss BRC beams can be done by 1 person each unless dps fails.
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#36 Dec 29 2010 at 10:32 PM Rating: Good
Yup. Both those two ways are doable. My "for a pug" explanation just allows for a slighter higher margin of error.
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Anyone know of an addon that would let me move my focus bar or give me another focus bar that I can move? I have seen them in some of the videos I have watched, but I have had no luck finding it myself.
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Worgen are the new Night Blood Elves.
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Worgen are the new Night Blood Elves.


In every single way, yes. *eyes worgen humping each other in Stormwind*
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Well my newly joined raid guild is having some "change of management" issues, and some have left to form new guilds and blah blah blah. Sigh.. I need a change.


Hello new Realm, PvP, and Hunter (Goblin, ftw)




Also, I had to turn on the deny guild invites in the interface menu. So... many.. blind... invites.
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Also, I had to turn on the deny guild invites in the interface menu. So... many.. blind... invites.

Courteous request whispers get a courteous response.
Blind invites stay open for two minutes while I continue prospecting (after all, if he waits one. more. second. I might accept...).
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