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#52 Jan 13 2011 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
Yeah I just looked at the gloves like 10 minutes ago, it's only a 2 sec reduction.
#53 Jan 14 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Given the recent nerfs to SV and bufss to BM, how are they comparing in raid or dungeon environments?

Also, for al of you BM Hunters out there, I've read up on the shot priority for BM and have one main question.

If you have Serpent Sting up on the target, you're Kill Command is on CD but will come off soon, and you have enough focus to shoot an Arcane Shot...What should you do? Fire the Arcane shot then fire Cobra Shot to get enough Focus to use KC, wait for KC to come off CD then use that, or Cobra Shot to fill time and then KC when it's off CD?
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#54 Jan 14 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Use KC on cooldown, do not wait more than 0.5 seconds for KC.
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Thanks for the info Æthien.

Been playing my Resto Druid as my main for quite a while and have come back to my Hunter, and want to make sure I get my sh!t straight before I really get into serious content.

Same question as my previous post though; Have there been any comparisons, or does anyone have any experience with the differences between the three specs, but BM and SV specifically, since the buffs and nerfs?
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#56 Jan 14 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
From what I was reading from people on the oboards, it used to be about a 12-13% nerf and now it's down to 6-7%
#57 Jan 15 2011 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know about the difference, check EJ for that or FemaleDwarf if that has a 4.0.6 version already.
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#58 Jan 17 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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This thread is funny.

And yet, it's not.

I heard the best spec is 0/0/0, because even that can pull off 10k+ DPS and then you get bonus points for not spending talent points to be cool.

True story, I made it up myself.
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#59 Jan 17 2011 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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Under the right circumstances, you probably can pull off 10k dps with 0/0/0 spec.


Lolol, in something close to BiS with 5 minutes of screwing around with FemaleDwarf I get these numbers for 0/0/0 raidbuffed:
Combined: - 14815.35 - 100.00%
Hunter: --- 12217.70 - 82.47%
Pet: ------ 2597.65 -- 17.53%


Edited, Jan 18th 2011 12:41am by Aethien
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#60 Jan 17 2011 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds about right.

Had a SV Hunter in my HoO run earlier who pulled 16k. 23k on Rajh, of course.
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#61 Jan 17 2011 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
I was doing 20k on the what 3rd boss of BRC, the one where you run him through the fire.
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I was playing around with the spreadsheet and I tried regemming all my hit to agility completly disregarding socket bonuses or hit %. It said I would actually have a dps increase doing this even if it did mean I was almost 200 points under hit cap. Does this seem right? If so is hit rating as important as thought?
#63 Jan 18 2011 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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Agility is king, queen and god.
Go for the agile meta + all agility gems unless you can get more agility out of a socket bonus.
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#64 Jan 18 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
I wish they would have made the old Wrath agi/crit dmg gem have reqs of red gems, instead you are supposed to have more blue than red gems, which is actually the same for the chaotic shadowspirit, so pretty much right now I'm running with no useful meta because of the requirements.
#65 Jan 18 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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Agile Shadowspirit Diamond

edit: to clarify, this gem is still on the PTR as of right now.

Also, the blue quote from when these were added to the PTR.
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The note hasn't been added yet, but we haven't forgotten. Here's what you're likely to see in the patch notes:

Meta gems with the Chaotic and Relentless prefixes now have a requirement of 3 red gems.

Added new meta gems: Agile Shadowspirit Diamond (Agility/3% critical damage), Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Strength/3% critical damage), and Burning Shadowspirit Diamond (Intellect/3% critical damage). These new recipes are unbound and can drop from any Cataclysm creature. The new meta gems have a requirement of 3 red gems equipped.


Edited, Jan 18th 2011 5:42pm by Aethien
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#66 Jan 18 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
I know there is a new agility meta! But the old wrath one has terrible requirements, same with the chaotic shadowspirit.
#67 Jan 22 2011 at 4:02 AM Rating: Good
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"Meta gems with the Chaotic and Relentless prefixes now have a requirement of 3 red gems."
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#68 Jan 22 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
I would claim I said "currently" but I did not. Those changes to the metas aren't until patch.
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Yeah, but I'd say that until then just go with whatever meta makes use of red gems and gem for straight up agility, it's probably the best for dps at the moment anyway.


Oh, and pray that the new agi meta won't cost you 1.5k or more.
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Yeah, but I'd say that until then just go with whatever meta makes use of red gems and gem for straight up agility, it's probably the best for dps at the moment anyway.


Oh, and pray that the new agi meta won't cost you 1.5k or more.


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#71 Feb 06 2011 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Whats this...life in the hunter forum?
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#72 Feb 06 2011 at 3:24 AM Rating: Good
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Whats this...life in the hunter forum?
The hunter forum is actually one of the most active class forums.
Of course, the druid forum is more active because of the bored druid thread but that's really just about it.

And hunters still have the most posts and the most threads of all classes with only rogues being even close.
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#73 Feb 06 2011 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
We tend to slow down a lot when things don't change much. I'm sure we'll kick back up a bit with the patch and people creating 3 threads of "What's best dps spec?" and "What's MM rotation?"
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I thought I was in the rogue forum for a second there reading this thread. My bad.

Regardless. I'm just about to cruising altitude with my raid toons and am looking at possibly making hunter the next project (casual, some relaxed raiding maybe, a bit of BG pvp). So I clicked on this thread looking for insight and viewpoints regarding specs.

My question is NOT which spec is "zomg leet deeps" in a progression setting, but which spec you each prefer generally and why. From what I've read today, it appears that Marksman is a bit more complicated, Survival is bursty AoE, and Beast Master is the most straight-forward. Is that accurate? Not doing hardmodes on my next toon eliminates the need to theorycraft another toon (I hate writing sims, really) or absolutely need max throughput. But it would be nice to have some opinions to guide the respecs.

After reading the above I suppose I'm asking the hunter forum for their generalized views and opinions that can help a casual hunter player rather than the hardmode raider.

Thanks in advance.
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#76 Feb 23 2011 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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What help is it to you to know people's preference for a certain spec? None of the three specs has ever been all that complicated to play and they don't really differ that much in playstyle so just go with whatever gets you the best dps.

And luckily we hunters have good theorycrafters who have made a pretty little site called femaledwarf.com where you just plug in your armory and figure out what the best spec is for you in a matter of minutes.
Other than that you just gem agility and stick to hitcap and don't worry too much about reforging and you're close enough to maximizing your toon for casual play.
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#77 Feb 23 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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I thought I was in the rogue forum for a second there reading this thread. My bad.

Regardless. I'm just about to cruising altitude with my raid toons and am looking at possibly making hunter the next project (casual, some relaxed raiding maybe, a bit of BG pvp). So I clicked on this thread looking for insight and viewpoints regarding specs.

My question is NOT which spec is "zomg leet deeps" in a progression setting, but which spec you each prefer generally and why. From what I've read today, it appears that Marksman is a bit more complicated, Survival is bursty AoE, and Beast Master is the most straight-forward. Is that accurate? Not doing hardmodes on my next toon eliminates the need to theorycraft another toon (I hate writing sims, really) or absolutely need max throughput. But it would be nice to have some opinions to guide the respecs.

After reading the above I suppose I'm asking the hunter forum for their generalized views and opinions that can help a casual hunter player rather than the hardmode raider.

Thanks in advance.

For soloing, I prefer BM because it's ridiculously easy and it's almost impossible for my pet to die.

For PvP, I prefer SV because it has ridiculous CC capabilities, and reflecting Death Coils/Fears back at locks makes me LOL pretty hard (similar to using the Shadow Reflector in vanilla).

I haven't really done any real PvE (as in instances) on my hunter, and don't plan to, but I have to say MM is a lot easier than SV (Aimed Shot, Steady, Chimera are really all you need).
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Oh right, I forgot about PvP, for PvP just follow Theo's advice Smiley: grin
And soloing, meh, anything will do.
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#79 Feb 23 2011 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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We DKs have a few decent number crunchers too =P

Fair question, and in the end I'm not sure that it really matters what others' opinions are. I was just looking for a start point aside from trial and error. So many forum posts are focused on min/maxxing, progression viewpoints that don't necessarily help casuals. Personally I'm mostly interested in the most versatile spec for a casual toon but thought it a fair open-ended question to air in the forum for other folks reading.

edit: Thanks for the responses by the way =) Cheers!

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 3:14pm by TherionSaysWhat
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In that case, just go with dual spec one PvE and one PvP spec, might need the occasional respec if you want to go for soloing raids and such but other than that it covers everything.
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