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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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a neat thread to talk and discuss changes.

Bringing the first query on the table. the assasination tree.

Murderous intent. 30 energy refunded on backstab when target is below 35% health. This makes backstab cost 30 energy. Thoughts on possible change to rotation at 35% health?

Venomous wounds. The talent that makes me happy in my pants. Bleed an enemy you poison and each tick has a 60% chance to deal 1.3k extra nature damage and give you 10 energy. If your enemy dies while under the effects of rupture, you gain energy equal to the remaining duration of the rupture.

your thoughts?



Edited, Oct 1st 2010 2:50pm by Tenjen
#2 Oct 01 2010 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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As it is, I doubt Murderous Intent it worth it at all. Even if it were worth giving up Mutilate for, you'd also have to give up two points for the talent. I really don't see its point at all, as it is now.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 5:45pm by Mozared
#3 Oct 01 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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yep, those 2 points could go into something that saves healer mana and the like.
#4 Oct 01 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Default
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How is this thread in any way different than my "How are you (dual)speccing in Cata?" thread?

******* stupid.

Murderous intent is an awful talent, and will show very obviously who's a terrible rogue.
#5 Oct 01 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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which is why i never actually suggested that it would change the spec and simply bought up "thoughts about it" to see peoples opinions. while at the same time glowing all over venomous wounds, which is actually a good talent.

As for the the difference between threads. Not really all that much, cept i was going for the talents by themselves but that in itself is inane.

meh to me in the end i guess. wasnt thinking.

Theo's execution has always been ****** but his stance and position are always on the spot.

Edited, Oct 1st 2010 10:10pm by Tenjen
#6 Oct 01 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not entirely sure what Blizzard is thinking regarding the talent either. It's been the same for like, a gazillion builds now. What is their idea behind it? However you really put it, Backstab will do a lot less damage than mutilate - the fact that it's only 30 energy at a specific point just means that you could fit two Backstabs into a Mutilate. This might be slightly more damage, but it costs you twice the GCDs and an additional hotkey. Why would anyone bother?
#7 Oct 01 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Tenjen wrote:
.Theo's execution has always been sh*tty but his stance and position are always on the spot.

Always? That's pretty harsh to say against a guy who's written far more FAQs and stickies than you have, as well as doing far more for the forum in general.

I flame stupidity. If you're stupid, chances are you won't like me. It's funny, but the people that are smart on these boards don't usually have any problems with me.
#8 Oct 01 2010 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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Murderous intent is an awful talent, and will show very obviously who's a terrible rogue.


For PvE? I doubt it. I mean, I'm not entirely sure what numbers you're basing this off of, backstab just got a buff if I recall, but they're all up in the air still and I'm sure they intend to make it work. I don't see why 27.5 energy backstabs would see so bad, though. It's great cp per e, and it's not like sub has crazy BS modifiers (25% bs + 10% sang vein vs 15% physical damage from assass) so the base damage will haev to be high, now that sub is a bit less finisher spammy.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 4:37am by Kavekk
#9 Oct 02 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Good
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I flame stupidity. If you're stupid, chances are you won't like me. It's funny, but the people that are smart on these boards don't usually have any problems with me.


First time i've had a direct encounter with you to be honest. But i certainly had not been thinking.

and erm

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Always? That's pretty harsh to say against a guy who's written far more FAQs and stickies than you have, as well as doing far more for the forum in general.


"Theo's execution has always been sh*tty but his stance and position are always on the spot."

Generally meant that how you deal with stupid mistakes is very harsh but you've always been right in your reasoning and position

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Had a bug just now where switching to swords and switching to daggers again didnt give me the 20 energy from the tree bonus. But i think it was the UI not showing it, not it staying 100.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 7:06am by Tenjen
#10 Oct 02 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Tenjen wrote:
.Theo's execution has always been sh*tty but his stance and position are always on the spot.

Always? That's pretty harsh to say against a guy who's written far more FAQs and stickies than you have, as well as doing far more for the forum in general.

I flame stupidity. If you're stupid, chances are you won't like me. It's funny, but the people that are smart on these boards don't usually have any problems with me.


To be honest Theo, you just proved his point.

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#11 Oct 02 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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For PvE? I doubt it. I mean, I'm not entirely sure what numbers you're basing this off of, backstab just got a buff if I recall, but they're all up in the air still and I'm sure they intend to make it work. I don't see why 27.5 energy backstabs would see so bad, though. It's great cp per e, and it's not like sub has crazy BS modifiers (25% bs + 10% sang vein vs 15% physical damage from assass) so the base damage will haev to be high, now that sub is a bit less finisher spammy.

The thing is though, I doubt one Backstab is more damage than one mutilate for Assa. Which means that even if a BS is 90% the damage of a Muti, you'd still need those two BS's to make up for the damage lost and actually achieve something with that higher damage-per-energy. Problem is, you'd need two GCD's instead of one to make the 'rotation' work (and needing more GCD's is always a bad thing), and you'd have to spent two talent points to even get this 'upgrade'. That doesn't even come close to even a flat out -7% damage bonus, let alone some other talent that actually increases your DPS by @#%^tons.

Edit: Continueing my train of thought, I reckon the talent could work if Backstab simply did more damage than Mutilate in an assassination spec, but people choose to use Mutilate because of the extra combo point. Point is, if this would be true, I'd consider the spec somewhat broken rather than considering a talent like Murderous Intent.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 4:54pm by Mozared
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