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#27 Oct 13 2010 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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Anobix -

I don't recall where it was written, but I remember reading a blue post in response to someone ******** about AOE stuff. Essentially the player was saying that they were taking AOE points because they were required and that it wouldn't help on boss fights. The Blue post essenatially said that unless you were raiding Patchwerk - you'd want to have AOE abilities on boss fights.

SO - having said that...

What are your thoughts on:

Pryomaniac - On your current build you would have to give up 2% crit or 2% haste to gain 10% haste when you were hitting 3 targets with fire damage.... This seems like a very expensive talent (Tier 6 talent) to purchase with 2 points to gain 10% haste in only certain situations. It also seems like it might stack horribly with: Imp Flamestrike - (Two points Tier 5) Gets you instant Flamestrikes.

It seems like both of these talents are built for AOE or PVP and they are both out of reach of a Frost mage looking to buff his PVP with a sub fire spec...


- Also why are you taking Impact? If I had to take a talent - I would think that the Imp Flamestrike might be of more value. I mean reseting your Fire Blast is nice, but making Flamestrike Instant - plus putting a Flamestrike on the ground of your blast wave.... That seems like you'd get more bang for the 2 points.

What are your thoughts?
#28 Oct 13 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
Impact is mostly for the spreading of the dots, which can do a significant amount of damage (tested it out last night on faction champs in ToC25 and it was pretty awesome). It is more of a talent that can be used in cleaving situations, which I can think of a handful in ICC:

H-Halion: fire adds
Marrowgar (if spikes are near)
LDW: Adds
Saurfang: Beasts
Professor: Slime (green slime most likely as we tank him by where it drops)
Dreamwalker: Suppressors
Sindragosa: Ice Tombs (if it mattered)
(most importantly) LK: P1 Adds + Valks + Spirits
- and of course trash

And with that, assuming there are 3 or more there your pyromaniac will kick off as well.


I just put together a cleave dps spec on Ano (will show up as spec #1 on the armory whenever it gets updated).

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#o0oZdfhrk0RMsfoc:o0Zmda
was it I do believe. I gave up 1% haste to get the other talents. It wasn't a super easy decision, but I just picked up the majority of the AoE talents for the build (I will be testing it on H LK this week [assuming we get to him]).

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 10:07am by Anobix
#29 Oct 21 2010 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bit late tot he party, but work is slow so I figured I'd post my thoughts. I levelled as frost and raided as that in BC (keeping competitive within my guild, but not spectacular numbers) so I've always been hopeful it would make a competitive build for raiding someday.

Not sure if I'm playing it wrong, but frost seems quite lackluster to me. Tried on a few bosses in ICC10 hc and whilst I wasn't the worst dps there it was pretty close. Seems to have some decent tricks (instant FFB for stacking the dot and FoF for a bit of variation and boost) if you are unlucky with procs then FB spamming just doesn't seem to do much. Turning point for me was when I got a 32k deep freeze, I was happy with the big number for a moment and then I remembered that I get AB crits bigger than that more frequently. So, back to arcane and did double the dps I was doing with frost.

I think I may be an arcane convert now and am planning to level as that spec at the moment (mage won't be my first toon to 85 though so maybe that will change), for me raid wise arcane has survivability (IA rewards me for reducing incoming damage) and damage output (plus a nice buff for the raid) and for levelling there's the slow from AB (so mobs shouldn't reach me) and I'm also quite liking the speed increase from blink for a bit more maneuverability between mobs. Mana at the moment isn't much of an issue, maybe I will change my mind at 85 when I'm spamming ABx2 AM/ABr most of the time.

Planning to give fire a try in the next raid.
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