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#1 Jul 26 2010 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Evening guys, I just dinged 60 yesterday and got penance now. I do have a few questions before I go questing and instancing in outlands.

1. For spell rotation, I still stick to the same as in PS - Renew - Flash Heal - Penance right and ofcourse POH for AOE?
2. Franking Penance just heals the friendly target when used. Any other benefit for this.
3. Currently I have not glyped penance yet as I felt flash heal is more important cos of mana issues. Currently glyped in Flash Heals and Power Word Shield. Am I correct here or do I have to change?
4. I have taken enchanting and tailoring now and have maxed it to 300 for both. So question is which fraction do I take, Aldor or Scryer as scryer has ring enchant I think. Forgot this since I have not rolled a priest before.
5. Whats your advise on this, I tend to level faster through dungeon then questing. Atm I have only achived about 250 quests I think. I tend to do both. Just hit LFG and then go on questing till I get in. I was wondering whether I am doing the right thing.
6. Lastly before I hit 70 and go northend, Any particular fractions I need to take note and pay more attention to or just do as what I just do and buy the talbards and rep in instance?
7. Also for gear stats is Intellect --> Stamina ---> Spell Power right or I have to add spirit alittle? What about haste and Mp5. Are they necessary for Disc Priest.

I am seem to like penance alot but problem is how I use it. Sorry but this is the 1st time I am playing a disc priest and liking it atm.

Thank you and have a good week ahead.

Cheers
#2 Jul 26 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
I can help with a few of these at least:

Kingpriest wrote:
2. Franking Penance just heals the friendly target when used. Any other benefit for this.


It looks cool? Smiley: grin

Actually you can use it to deal damage when solo, but it's much stronger as a heal than it is a missile.

Kingpriest wrote:
4. I have taken enchanting and tailoring now and have maxed it to 300 for both. So question is which fraction do I take, Aldor or Scryer as scryer has ring enchant I think. Forgot this since I have not rolled a priest before.


You don't really have to take either one unless you really want the faction recipe from them (but iirc you can get someone else to buy the recipe for you; not positive here); the faction rewards themselves are obsolete now, even the shoulder enchants, as the basic enchant from Sons of Hodir is as good as the best aldor/scryer one, and costs less to boot.

Kingpriest wrote:
5. Whats your advise on this, I tend to level faster through dungeon then questing. Atm I have only achived about 250 quests I think. I tend to do both. Just hit LFG and then go on questing till I get in. I was wondering whether I am doing the right thing.


Kind of a preference/flavor thing really; some people level exclusively through dungeons, especially on characters that are hard to solo with...others like the "adventuring around the world" feel of the quests. In the end it doesn't matter too much. I personally prefer to stop running dungeons at certain levels because the options at that point are annoying (looking at you, Old Kingdom) and just quest through them instead, but I definitely enjoy dungeon running too. In any case, there is no "right" way, it is still a game and you should enjoy it in whatever way you prefer.

Kingpriest wrote:
6. Lastly before I hit 70 and go northend, Any particular fractions I need to take note and pay more attention to or just do as what I just do and buy the talbards and rep in instance?
7. Also for gear stats is Intellect --> Stamina ---> Spell Power right or I have to add spirit alittle? What about haste and Mp5. Are they necessary for Disc Priest.


No real factions to note in outland; once you get to northrend depending on whether this is your first toon on the server, you'll want to prioritize your faction reps accordingly...if it's not your first toon you can just ship the head enchants from your main to the priest as needed. But if it is your first, you'll primarily want Wyrmrest Accord and Kirin Tor tabards to dungeon with so you can get their head enchants.

As for the stats, pretty sure you don't really have to worry about stamina. From outland and beyond your gear will feed you enough of it to sustain yourself. You want all the other stats you listed, including a good amount of spirit since you have talents that siphon your spirit-based mana regen back to you. Some of the other super geniuses here can advise you better on a stat priority than I could, but as a basic rule of thumb while leveling up you'll rarely go wrong if you just take the item that is the higher "item level" (add 10 to the listed level if it's a blue item).
#3 Jul 26 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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1. For spell rotation, I still stick to the same as in PS - Renew - Flash Heal - Penance right and ofcourse POH for AOE?

You don't have a rotation. You use what spell is right for the situation. That said, yeah, you generally end up going "Power Word: Shield>Renew>(Prayer of Mending)>Penance>Flash Heal-until-you-can-penance-again>repeat" on the tank.

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2. Franking Penance just heals the friendly target when used. Any other benefit for this.

It can be used to keep the elephants away.

What, there are no elephants?

See, it's working!

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3. Currently I have not glyped penance yet as I felt flash heal is more important cos of mana issues. Currently glyped in Flash Heals and Power Word Shield. Am I correct here or do I have to change?

You have to change. Penance is a gazillion times more effective than Flash Heal mana-wise. If you get the glyph you can start Penancing more and Flash Healing less. Which evens out in terms of mana and is a big boost in terms of throughput.

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4. I have taken enchanting and tailoring now and have maxed it to 300 for both. So question is which fraction do I take, Aldor or Scryer as scryer has ring enchant I think. Forgot this since I have not rolled a priest before.

Can't help you here, but I will say that it's probably barely worth picking a faction as you won't get either of them high enough to get any of their rewards if you don't specifically focus on it. And if you do specifically focus on it you'll be leveling slower.

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5. Whats your advise on this, I tend to level faster through dungeon then questing. Atm I have only achived about 250 quests I think. I tend to do both. Just hit LFG and then go on questing till I get in. I was wondering whether I am doing the right thing.

Eh... I think purely on an experience-per-effective-time basis you'd be best off going shadow and questing a lot. There's definitely nothing wrong with leveling through LFG, though. It's not as painfully slow as it used to be to level as a healer, so unless you REALLY don't want to be a day playtime or so quicker to reach 80, I wouldn't worry.

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6. Lastly before I hit 70 and go northend, Any particular fractions I need to take note and pay more attention to or just do as what I just do and buy the talbards and rep in instance?

Nope.

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7. Also for gear stats is Intellect --> Stamina ---> Spell Power right or I have to add spirit alittle? What about haste and Mp5. Are they necessary for Disc Priest.

Nononono, don't gear for stamina. You might've seen me say something along those lines at some point, but forget it. Especially as a healer, you won't even really need it for leveling. Of course it's never a bad thing to have, but don't actively seek it out. Go for Intellect -> Spellpower -> Crit at your level.

Good luck leveling =)
#4 Jul 26 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Glyph Penance. You want to get it on the shortest cooldown you can. It's your main direct heal. You can take Greater Heal off your toolbar now, and you'll be using Flash Heal a lot less. Basically, for whatever damage isn't being absorbed, Penance is your first go-to guy. Just be aware of overhealing and don't (generally) fire it off on someone who's at 95%.

Shield the tank and anyone else who might take damage. Keep the tank shielded as much as possible, and cast Penance when damage gets through the shield. Flash Heal/Renew DPS taking damage that the shield doesn't take care of, but this won't happen very often in a 5 man unless you have bad DPS or a tank who can't hold threat. You will use Flash Heal as Disc, but if you're using it more often than Shield/Penance, you may want to have a closer look at why. Prayer of Healing/Hymn when everyone's taking damage at once. You'll get Prayer of Mending at... 68? 70? Somewhere around there. Keep it rolling all the time once you get it.

In general I suggest prioritizing Spellpower, then Intellect, but there will be times when you want to flip those, depending on whether either your mana or healing output seem to be a weak spot. You will need some regen, so don't ignore MP5 or Spirit either. Unless you're doing a lot of PVP, you can pretty much ignore Stamina. You'll most likely get enough of it on your gear naturally to handle any PVE situation you're in.

You don't need to worry about Outland factions unless you're interested in one for a particular reason (such as Mag'har rep if you like the mounts). You'll be out of there sooner than it matters. Once you're in Northrend you'll get a good start on rep with all those factions just by questing through the zones. Once you're 80 dailies and heroics can take care of the rest. But it's always a good idea to look at the rep rewards and see what you're most interested in.
#5 Jul 26 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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In general I suggest prioritizing Spellpower, then Intellect, but there will be times when you want to flip those, depending on whether either your mana or healing output seem to be a weak spot.

Holy much? =P

The problem is, when leveling, you don't reach the 'point-of-no-OOMness'. And Intellect gives throughput (as crit) as well s mana. Hence why disc goes Intellect all the way until, say, tier 9. Then spellpower is the only thing that really gives you benefit.
#6 Jul 26 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mozared wrote:
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In general I suggest prioritizing Spellpower, then Intellect, but there will be times when you want to flip those, depending on whether either your mana or healing output seem to be a weak spot.

Holy much? =P


Actually, no. Smiley: tongue I tried the "Int before SP for Disc" theory and found it didn't work for me. It's great to have a lot of mana but given the choice, I will generally take bigger heals over more heals. Particularly in unpredictable situations - like battlegrounds, or doing 5-mans with inexperienced tanks, or any time you're not working with a team of skilled people who work well together - where you may need a burst-on-demand that you didn't plan for, and don't have cooldowns ready for. I recognize that my experience is not universal, but "spellpower is king" still pretty much holds true for me. Up to a point, obviously, which is why I note that judgment must be used there. If either feels weak, make some adjustments until you find a good balance that works for you.


Mozared wrote:

The problem is, when leveling, you don't reach the 'point-of-no-OOMness'. And Intellect gives throughput (as crit) as well s mana.


Well, I'm not leveling but I've never reached the point of infinite mana, so I'm in that spot that you can barely remember except in theory, and I still say Spellpower first. My mana pool would make you pee your pants. I have to manage it very carefully. But I can; with some effort and attention to efficiency, mana can be managed to at least some degree. Inadequate heals can't.

And bear in mind that we're talking about regular 5 mans. You aren't going to see a lot of ten minute boss fights there. But you are going to see a lot of tanks who will die in 3 shots if your heals can't make up for their crappy gear.

As for Int and throughput, frankly I only see that mattering in good gear. Which you don't have at level 60. The extra crit provided by Intellect is pretty small, and when you've got very little crit to speak of in the first place, the difference between 6.7% and 7% is not exactly noticeable.

As always, I can only answer for my own experience. YMMV.


Edited, Jul 26th 2010 3:48pm by teacake
#7 Jul 29 2010 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you all, just got a few gears from OL instances. Will be gemming them soon and also changing the glyp. Really enjoying the disc way of playing thanks to all of you.

Cheers :)
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