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#23352 Aug 08 2013 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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That was in WotLK somewhere with some freaky Disc/Smitespam build. I could keep most tanks alive through a bossfight with a single shield and maybe a heal so I spent most of my time DPSing.
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#23353 Aug 08 2013 at 4:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, those were some nasty builds. IIRC my bear spec ended up being more like a kitty spec so I could do more damage and hold off those over-zealous DPSers in heriocs.
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#23354 Aug 08 2013 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I liked the extra elements of a class too. That was one of my favorite aspects of Cata. Going from playing an Arcane mage in Wrath where I only ever had to press 3 buttons to play my class to going to a balance druid and then a shadow where the play style was more technical and complicated (in fun ways) AND there was CC and other stuff to do too. Made for a much more fun experience.

**** it, you guys are making me miss WoW a little...
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#23355 Aug 08 2013 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
I regret using that tank example to make a point.

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Pff, you can even blow up sh*t when you're a healer:
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Those numbers are loooooowwwwwwwww.

Edit: If you enjoy the little "beyond the current role" type bonuses in WoW, Pigtails, you might want to look at coming back. I regularly get a spot in my raid group because Shadow is capable of both good damage and backup healing in healing-intense phases. They went for a more "eleven classes" instead of "thirty three unique spec" feel, but have also done a good job at keeping the specs playing uniquely.

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#23356 Aug 08 2013 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Low numbers now perhaps but respectable for WotLK heroics (pre ICC) as a healer.
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#23357 Aug 08 2013 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
Is it active healing or passive healing? Because I hate the pressure of healing with a passion. I didn't even really like having to use that one long *** timer group heal (divine gift I think it was?) when I was raiding. Thankfully I didn't have to think about it, the RL would just tell me when to hit it. I enjoy buffing and doing CC stuff because there's not as much pressure. Healing, if I **** it up I could cause a wipe and that makes me uncomfortable lol.

Maybe after I finish my degree I might come back to WoW. We'll see. Only one more term left, and I'm not going to risk ******* it up.
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#23358 Aug 08 2013 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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If EQnext works I'll probably give that a spin. I don't ever see myself playing WoW agaib though.
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#23359 Aug 08 2013 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Hydroplaned into a parkway median today. That was fun.

Fortunately, no damage to the car or my body. But still REALLY not a fun addition to my already-three-hour commute.
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#23360 Aug 08 2013 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Just pretend it was on purpose and use your new found bad-assery to pick up guys.
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#23361 Aug 08 2013 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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If EQnext works I'll probably give that a spin. I don't ever see myself playing WoW agaib though.

I'll probably poke my head back into WoW for a bit if it ever goes F2P. Until that point I really can't see spending $15 on it.

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#23362 Aug 09 2013 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
If EQnext works I'll probably give that a spin. I don't ever see myself playing WoW agaib though.

I'll probably poke my head back into WoW for a bit if it ever goes F2P. Until that point I really can't see spending $15 on it.
I doubt WoW will ever go free to play, they still have a crapton of subscriptions and I think if it sinks low enough where they'd consider going F2P they'll just pull the plug instead.
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#23363 Aug 09 2013 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
That was in WotLK somewhere with some freaky Disc/Smitespam build. I could keep most tanks alive through a bossfight with a single shield and maybe a heal so I spent most of my time DPSing.


Rift allows you to do something similar. I usually queue as support/damage and usually end up top damage and second healing, with almost as much healing done as the healer.
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#23364 Aug 09 2013 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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If EQnext works I'll probably give that a spin. I don't ever see myself playing WoW agaib though.

I'll probably poke my head back into WoW for a bit if it ever goes F2P. Until that point I really can't see spending $15 on it.
I doubt WoW will ever go free to play, they still have a crapton of subscriptions and I think if it sinks low enough where they'd consider going F2P they'll just pull the plug instead.


I doubt it. F2P would essentially just allow them to continue making money off of assets they've already created.

I think they'll end up laying the groundwork for a F2P transition in the next expansion or two with stuff like level scaling dungeons, player housing, etc.

That way, when they finally decide that it's not worth chasing the sub model, they'll do a switch to F2P and already have most of the work done (and financed by subs). F2P would mostly be about continuing to milk free money out of the game.
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#23365 Aug 09 2013 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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I'm half expecting them to come with a new MMO in time which would probably make them want to pull the plug on WoW and offer a discount to WoW subs to move to the new game rather than letting it slowly die off.
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#23366 Aug 09 2013 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't they already announce that Titan is being completely retooled into a F2P game?
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#23367 Aug 09 2013 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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I think they only announced that they threw all of Titan in the bin and were starting over. That said, I haven't really been paying close attention.


All in all, I think I'd rather play a game I have to pay $15/month for as I don't really trust F2P games.
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#23368 Aug 09 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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I think they only announced that they threw all of Titan in the bin and were starting over. That said, I haven't really been paying close attention.


All in all, I think I'd rather play a game I have to pay $15/month for as I don't really trust F2P games.

Realistically, if you're willing to pay $15 a month, you should just be looking at a F2P game and evaluating whether or not $15 a month would be sufficient for you to enjoy it. If not, don't bother. If so, you're good.

My evaluation point is well below that. And obviously, to enjoy it, it can't be P2W.

But after all their changes, the TOR store is finally to a point I more-or-less find it agreeable. The "pay for rez" probes price is absurd. I'm fine with it conceptually, but you die way too often in TOR to make that price acceptable. But it's also true that, since the game wasn't designed from the ground-up for a RMT store, they're kind of limited with regards to what they can sell for reliable profit.

The LOTRO store, on the other hand, is ridiculously over-monetized. To the point where you essentially need to pay to unlock zones, dungeons, quest chains, etc. That's just annoying at its core, even if the prices were reasonable (which I don't remember feeling like they were).

I also prefer my F2P games with a sub model option.

I'm most happy with GW2's store. But at the same time, GW2 was a one-time fee, not a pure F2P model. So that was a guaranteed $60 for them.
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#23369 Aug 09 2013 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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Realistically, if you're willing to pay $15 a month, you should just be looking at a F2P game and evaluating whether or not $15 a month would be sufficient for you to enjoy it.
Sometimes. You could also look at it as "I'm only willing to pay $15 a month" and a subscription is easier to keep you from impulsively spending more, something an FTP lacks. And let's be honest, there aren't many adults with impulse control as it is, but kids as well? That's just a formula for a fight.
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#23370 Aug 09 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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I just meant that relative to Aeth's only position of being willing to pay $15.

The sad truth is that I'm probably not going to play a F2P game that requires me to pay even $10 a month to enjoy it.

So if I've accepted an approximate fee per month of $5, the chances of me grossly exceeding a sub-level fee is slim. And I have **** poor impulse control. I'm amazed I haven't just caved and bought all the ME3/DA2 DLC yet. But I think I've entered into this emotional standoff with BioWare, for them to put their points on sale...
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#23371 Aug 09 2013 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, my impulse control is pretty bad as it is and I'm not exactly swimming in money so that adds to my hesitation to play a F2P game. With a subscription model you at least know exactly what it costs.
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#23372 Aug 09 2013 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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But I'm not sure I really understand the argument. After Blizz started selling mounts and pets in their store, I had to keep myself from buying them. That's pretty much the same stuff you'd buy in an RMT store in a F2P game. So it's not really any different?

Now, to be fair, the RMT store is going to have a lot more stuff to choose from. But (and I can't speak for anyone else), this actually has the effect of making me more discerning. Because I'm only likely to buy something if I really want it, not just because it's super shiny and exclusive. I haven't bought any item skins from TOR or GW2's stores. But the funny thing is that I wanted the skins in the TOR store way more than I wanted the ones in the GW2 store, but I came closer to purchasing them in GW2.
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#23373 Aug 09 2013 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I never bought anything in the WoW store because all that was was fancy mounts that everybody and their grandma had. I just can't shake the feeling that a F2P game is going to have things that are more important to the game in the store. ****, even if it's just gold like in Diablo 3 that helps inflate prices.
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#23374 Aug 09 2013 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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All I can tell you is that you have no reason to directly conflate P2W with F2P. None of the major Western F2P games on the market right now give any significant bonus to people who pay against those who don't.

Well, within reason, at least. To be competitive in TOR, you will have to unlock artifact armor, which is a one time fee. And gearing up will be slower, since you can only have a chance for end-boss gear three times a week (or reduced honor rewards).

But someone willing to drop $100 a month into the game isn't going to be any more powerful unless they also play way more than you and actually get that gear through drops, or buy it from the market.

It's the same with GW2. GW2 gives you item skins, rate boosters, transmutation stones, dyes, outfits, etc. You can also use real world money to buy Mystic Forge Stones, which you can use in place of a piece of equipment in fusion recipes at the forge. These stones are 100% available in-game, though, for completing your daily, weekly, and monthly quests. It's also randomly assigned an item type at the point of fusion, which means using an actual item is always better. They're also only used to help make the materials for your legendary recipes, so the vast majority of the actual mat gathering is (at best) going to be cut by 10% or less by using mystic stones.

I honestly can't remember if the LOTRO store sold items. I don't THINK they did. But they pretty much put a price tag on every bit of content in the game, so I wouldn't actually be surprised.
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#23375 Aug 09 2013 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt it. F2P would essentially just allow them to continue making money off of assets they've already created.
Yeah, as long as they aren't losing money on there's good reason to keep the drives spinning. There's people who I could see playing for decades, constantly dropping money for all kinds of sparkle ponies.

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Yeah, my impulse control is pretty bad as it is and I'm not exactly swimming in money so that adds to my hesitation to play a F2P game. With a subscription model you at least know exactly what it costs.
Note on the impulse control. Cash shop stuff can usually be resold on the in-game auction house for gold or whatever. This means you can get the sparkle pony, **** outfit, XP boost, etc without ever paying a dime.

There's no way I'd play SWTOR if I had to actually pay to unlock the content. But paying credits for something someone payed cash for? Yeah ok. I picked up a couple of artifact-level unlocks last night for 100k credits each. That's like $20 worth of unlocks for 15 minutes worth of time spent flipping items on the GTN. While that's a better deal than I usually find it's not too hard to get what you want. As an added bonus the ability to in a sense "buy gold" from the company means there are fewer gold sellers running about.
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#23376 Aug 09 2013 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Well, within reason, at least. To be competitive in TOR, you will have to unlock artifact armor, which is a one time fee. And gearing up will be slower, since you can only have a chance for end-boss gear three times a week (or reduced honor rewards).
So basically, unless you pay you're crippled compared to those who do pay. Which is exactly what I really can't stand about the whole "free" to play thing. It just grates my nerves.
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#23377 Aug 09 2013 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, within reason, at least. To be competitive in TOR, you will have to unlock artifact armor, which is a one time fee. And gearing up will be slower, since you can only have a chance for end-boss gear three times a week (or reduced honor rewards).
So basically, unless you pay you're crippled compared to those who do pay. Which is exactly what I really can't stand about the whole "free" to play thing. It just grates my nerves.
It's one more annoying unlock, but you don't even notice it in-game really. Like in WoW you don't really need purple gear to do anything prior to end-game competitive stuff. TERA didn't have any of those restrictions, but it was expensive to enchant your end-game stuff. Without a subscription to help with the money situation at that point it was going to be a pain to be F2P.

In my mind at least I don't have a problem with the idea of having to paying something somehow to be competitive at end-game, so long as it isn't a direct P2W kind of setup. The game does have to make money somehow.
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#23378 Aug 09 2013 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Well, within reason, at least. To be competitive in TOR, you will have to unlock artifact armor, which is a one time fee. And gearing up will be slower, since you can only have a chance for end-boss gear three times a week (or reduced honor rewards).
So basically, unless you pay you're crippled compared to those who do pay. Which is exactly what I really can't stand about the whole "free" to play thing. It just grates my nerves.


It's a one time fee that only matters if you've taken the game all the endgame, which you can do without paying a single cent. And it ONLY matters if you want to engage in endgame.

And you realize that, at some point, they have to actually make money, right?

So you're actually saying you'd prefer to have to pay $15 per month over a system that has a fairly low-cost one-time fee to access end game gear? A fee that doesn't even matter if you want to raid, because raiding is subscription-only?

It's not like they're demanding you unlock a dungeon, then unlock its hardmode, and unlock artifact equipment by slot.

They're pretty much just sitting there and saying "Hey, we see that you've played the game for 50 levels, gone through the entire story line for your class, and are now at cap. Well, you haven't purchased anything yet, which is totally fine - we gave you that option. Thing is, managing individual instances for endgame content is expensive. Mind tossing us a one-time fee to use endgame-level gear, if you intend to use those content services? If not, it's cool, we still have a ton of stuff you can do - there are 7 other class storylines to play through, and you can even replay them with the opposite alignment to see how they change."
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#23379 Aug 09 2013 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I play an MMO for the end game. Everything leading up to that is fun but not where I get most of my enjoyment. So yeah, slower gearing up unless you pay is very much crippling for what my goals in an MMO are.
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#23380 Aug 09 2013 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well I think I understand your disdain for F2P then. I'm not aware of a F2P game that doesn't require some infusion of cash to be at the top.
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#23381 Aug 09 2013 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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And I've probably spent over 90% of my time in WoW at levelcap. So yeah, I'd much rather have a fixed cost and a level playing field than having to pay to do what I like to do anyway. It just feel like you're being ripped off if it's called free to play but you're paying anyway.

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#23382 Aug 09 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I play an MMO for the end game. Everything leading up to that is fun but not where I get most of my enjoyment. So yeah, slower gearing up unless you pay is very much crippling for what my goals in an MMO are.


... But it's still $10 (less, actually, iirc) once versus $15 a month. I don't get why you'd prefer the sub on the off chance they introduced a fee you'd have to pay.

And if you're raiding, you have to sub anyway. So if you'd want to raid it's a non-issue.
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#23383 Aug 09 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not talking about TOR, I don't give a flying **** about TOR. It's just that it really annoys me that "free" to play games advertise as being free while you'll have to pay for any of the game that is actually relevant to my interests. It just feels like a dishonest way of making money.
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It's misleading certainly, especially if you only/mainly care about end game. Most are very upfront about the restriction they have in place thankfully. For example:

https://store.enmasse.com/tera/elite-status
http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Unfortunately it's not always easy to know what all of that means. I mean, it's easy to see how say free teleport scrolls or the ability to equip purple items will work. You're still left asking stuff like how much higher are mod removal costs? What's spellbind and how is it used? Etc...

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#23385 Aug 09 2013 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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I can't agree with your logic, to be honest. This is also the first time I've heard that particular complaint.

I've heard arguments against P2W, and it's not hard to see why that would be hated. Where someone can drop $20 and completely negate your hard work. That's obviously not fun for anyone who'd like any semblance of a meritocratic game.

I've heard arguments against Freemium, where everything gets monetized so the entire content structure of the game is broken into microtransactions (pay $3 to access <insert zone>, pay $5 to access <insert dungeon>, etc.). It's not hard to see why no one wants this. For one, it's annoying as **** to be constantly hitting RMT walls. It's also annoying when everyone has different content unlocked. And it can ultimately be really freaking expensive.

But I've never heard people argue that a game shouldn't be called F2P if it puts low gate fees into place every so often. As long as they're reasonable, I see no issue there. A $5-7 fee to access additional content after you've already experienced 50-80 hours of free content doesn't sound insane to me. It's still a F2P game, even if not everything in it is free. As long as you have enough there that's free to justify it being a full game without the additions, I don't see why it's bad.


Now, maybe you're saying you don't like the idea of a freemium model, where you'd be constantly paying surprise fees to access the content you want? I agree that would really suck. As it stands, though, I haven't seen many games take that route. Because everyone thinks it sucks and there's no fun in it.

If you can't get to level cap in a "free" game, I'd probably call it freemium. If you can get to level cap, and especially if you can access the beginners' endgame stuff, I'd definitely call it F2P.
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#23386 Aug 09 2013 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, let me clarify for me the game starts at level cap.


And yeah, it may not be rational but I hate the whole idea of "free" to play.
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Thankfully no one around here ever accused you of being rational. Smiley: wink
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#23388 Aug 09 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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At least I'm not irrational enough to be scared of spiders. Smiley: tongue
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#23389 Aug 09 2013 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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Spiders will kill you.

Fact.
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#23390 Aug 09 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Highly unlikely. Especially where I am since the most dangerous spider has a bite about as harmful as a bee's sting and that spider will always choose to flee over biting unless you really corner it which is difficult since it's really fast.

A lot of them end up as cat food anyway.
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#23391 Aug 09 2013 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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When I was little I was bit by a spider. My whole chest swelled up into a bright red blotch and my parents talked about sending me to the hospital before it started to fade. I'd like not to repeat that incident.

Edited, Aug 9th 2013 1:16pm by someproteinguy
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#23392 Aug 09 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Get a cat, cats love to hunt spiders.
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#23393 Aug 09 2013 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Had one, and that was my favorite part about it. Sadly it didn't take well to the kids, and after weeks of it peeing on the carpet we had to give it back to the shelter. Smiley: frown
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Yeah, you need one compatible with the business of kids. I think Maine Coons are good with that and although they're a bit pricey they're also large enough to kill burglars as well as spiders.

It also helps to make sure the cat has a sufficiently high place to itself where the kids can't reach it.

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"Maine Coons can rival the size of small dogs and are highly intelligent, playful and energetic. They thrive in families that include children and other pets, including dogs. Be aware that they are very dexterous and are capable of using their front paws like raccoons to scoop up food. They like to dunk favorite toys in water bowls. They have been known to stretch up, wrap their front paws on door knobs and open doors. "
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"Maine Coons are known as the "gentle giants" and possess above-average intelligence, making them relatively easy to train. They are known for being loyal to their family and cautious—but not mean—around strangers, but are independent and not clingy. The Maine **** is generally not known for being a "lap cat" but their gentle disposition makes the breed relaxed around dogs, other cats, and children. They are playful throughout their lives, with males tending to be more clownish and females generally possessing more dignity, yet both are equally affectionate. Many Maine Coons have a fascination with water and some theorize that this personality trait comes from their ancestors, who were aboard ships for much of their lives. Maine Coons are also well known for yowling, chattering, chirping, "talking" (especially "talking back" to their owners), and making other loud vocalizations."
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Edit 2: On a sidenote, I've posted 60 times in 2 days now... I think I may be turning into lolgaxe.

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#23395 Aug 09 2013 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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It's not irrational to fear spiders. This could happen any day now:

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#23396 Aug 09 2013 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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There isn't a spider within a 1000 miles of you that poses any sort of threat to you Maz.
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#23397 Aug 09 2013 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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We, on the other hand, have Black Widows. The spider so evil, it eats its mates. And the namesake of one of the most badass Avengers.

I remember one time, maybe 10 years ago, where I came within 6 inches of taking a black widow's web to the face.

/shudder... literally.
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#23398 Aug 09 2013 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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Note to self: don't look up literature on local spiders. Those articles come with pictures. Lots of pictures.
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#23399 Aug 09 2013 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
My parents have a cat who is at least half maine coone and he *tries* to talk a lot. He has a very very quiet voice though, so you can't really hear him. He's pretty sweet but also very skiddish and he was kind of a bully to my Miranda. But in his defense, she bulled him first while he was sick when we first moved in with them, and so once he got his health back it was payback time.
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I play an MMO for the end game. Everything leading up to that is fun but not where I get most of my enjoyment. So yeah, slower gearing up unless you pay is very much crippling for what my goals in an MMO are.


what if the one time fee is less then the amount you'd pay to level and then spend in said raid tier if you were on a monthly sub?

edit: i didnt read the whole thread before quote-posting.....

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as a side note has anyone here ever quit a job without having one lined up?

i might do it next week so curious if anyone else has done the same.

edit for digg

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