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#8802 Aug 05 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
Oh... whoops. =x
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#8803 Aug 05 2011 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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Man, the fact that I'm suddenly able to socialize in the real world again is really cutting into my +1 time...

And I've been thinking, I REALLY want to learn to play the cello (or the violin).
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#8805 Aug 06 2011 at 5:07 AM Rating: Good
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#8806 Aug 06 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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I'd really like to start learning Japanese again.

But I also really want to learn French. And Italian.

:/

Too hard.
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#8807 Aug 06 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
Latin is a heart beat. But I'm a nerd like that.

I've taken four years of French, and as much as I love it, that language is ridiculous. They have over twice the amount of verb conjugations that English does. And when you're learning it, they progressively make you learn more and more of those 20+ conjugations, and what each other is for.

There are a lot of languages I want to learn though. Gaelic is another. Latin is just the one that ranks the highest for me.
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#8808 Aug 06 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Only double?

Japanese has past, present and future tenses, like english. But it also has three forms of speech (short form, long form, and <can't remember what it's called but it's formal> form). Every verb conjugates differently depending on the form.

Plus, they have a ton more conjugations in general. "We should <verb>" is expressed by a conjugation. A different conjugation creates "Shall we <verb>?" "I want to <verb>" is another one. Etc.

It really gets excessive, because you can sometimes end up with verb conjugations that are half the sentence.
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#8809 Aug 06 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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#8810 Aug 06 2011 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
I think French has at least 24. Possibly more. How many does Japanese have?
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#8811 Aug 07 2011 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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Well, wikipedia is telling me that it's 13. But this isn't considering the different forms according to formality, so you can at least double (if not triple) that. Nor does it consider the ways in which these conjugations are combined with other verb tags to create new meanings, since those aren't technically conjugations. But you need to treat them as such, realistically, when using them.
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#8812 Aug 07 2011 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
Let's just chalk it up to verb conjugations suck.
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#8813 Aug 07 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Greek has more moods. Each of which have a load of random functions.

Greek also has nouns that have their own declination (for example the word for king - Βασιλεύς).


That being said, Finnish has what, 20 cases? They lure you in saying you won't need to learn any prepositions because there'll just be a case for that, but then they also have more prepositions than any other language I've come across.


I generally think conjugating verbs is more practical than putting auxiliaries all over the place.


Also, Japanese grammar is... manageable, compared to Indo-European and especially Finno-Ugric languages.



Come to think of it, I think each type of language has its own difficulties. Like how in Arabic you need to gender-switch a lot but Arabic grammar in general is really simplistic when you look at it closely.

Hindi/Urdu requires you to conjugate verbs differently based on the subject's gender. Even in the first person. Actually the nouns get left alone for the most part (or at least pronouns do), but the verbs... so if I get a male friend to translate something into Urdu for me I always need to double check if he did the verbs like he would say them, or like I'm supposed to say them. It's a pain.
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#8814 Aug 07 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mandarin

It was a fun and challenging couple of years. Smiley: smile
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#8815 Aug 07 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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#8816 Aug 07 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
So one of the perks of playing a Frost mage... I put together a BoT last night and I ranked on Halfus. Smiley: grin
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Actually, if I could learn any language to fluency... I'd totally say Proto-Indo-European, although that would be completely useless and is reconstructed. Okay, because it is reconstructed. I mean, ****, that's just amazing.

I think with the knowledge that comes with learning that I wouldn't have that much trouble learning more Indo-European languages to fluency.
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#8820 Aug 08 2011 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
I'd like to learn Greek. Not because it's super useful or anything though, I just like it.

I grew up learning french and English, and picked up decently good conversational dutch during the year I spent in Holland. I'm pretty good at languages, so that would come back, but my dutch is very very rusty at the moment.
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#8821 Aug 08 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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I know English pretty well for a foreigner, some French and some Spanish.
Would love to learn Latin, I really like it.
Also, the history behind the different Chineses Languages is awesome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Chinese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinitic_languages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 2:23pm by Brisin
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I studied Chinese for 6 years and one semester of that was Chinese linguistics (as opposed to learning actual practical use of the language). That was awesome.

X, which Greek are we talking? Smiley: tongue
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So...wtf is happening at London?
I find amusing that I just finished reading V last week and London is on fire now.
What a coincidence.
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#8824 Aug 08 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
Just looked it up and apparently: "The violence first erupted Saturday night in Tottenham, a gritty north London neighborhood, following the fatal shooting of a black resident by police investigating gun crimes. Those riots triggered a disturbing ripple effect among disenfranchised youths in other parts of the city on Sunday that spread in size and intensity on Monday." Via the Washington Post.

How is it that you only know a little bit of French Brisin? I thought French was the national language of Brasil?
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#8825 Aug 08 2011 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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How is it that you only know a little bit of French Brisin? I thought French was the national language of Brasil?

It's actually Portuguese.

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 2:55pm by Davejohnsan
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#8826 Aug 08 2011 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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The Brazilians I've met all spoke Portuguese and possibly Spanish natively. My cousins grew up speaking Portuguese and German.

And London... from what I gather, the London stock market took a harder hit than the US market did these past few days. Lots of neighbourhoods in London are quite unsafe now and my friend there (who's from Karachi originally, so he's probably got quite a bit of tolerance for stuff like that) said it's crazy.

There's riots in Ealing now, I was there a couple of times last month...

Looking at the live news stream on the BBC website, the situation in London now seems to be worse than the situation in Karachi was a few weeks ago. I need to go through London in a couple of weeks. Gonna be fun, that.
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