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#17552 Aug 14 2012 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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Either one or a few classes are going to be better at healing and some will be better at tanking due to their cooldowns or whatever than the others which automatically makes them the designated healers and tanks, the content is going to be so easy (and thus boring) that it doesn't matter or all classes will have to be so similar that it doesn't matter what you rolled as because they're all the same anyway.

It looks like they're trying to take gear out of the equation too. The problem with that is that suddenly, there's no reason to do anything anymore because there's no progress. All you can do is do the same stuff you could from the moment you hit level cap, with a character that is exactly the same as it was as you hit level cap and nothing will change, ever. That's going to be boring as @#%^ in no time.


Y'know, there are reasons to do things at end game besides acquiring gear. Smiley: tongue There's the dynamic events that occur all over the world, and their outcomes can be different based on how well you succeed or how poorly you fail. The dungeons are going to each have a story mode and three different exploration modes, and your strategy will change based on your party make up. That will make them different. Probably not every single time you go in to the same dungeon, but I think it'll make it different enough that you'll want to go do them multiple times without it feeling grindy.

Besides, I've read from multiple different reviews of the game, that leveling up new characters isn't boring or repetitive like with most MMO's. It's different enough (for one person even after six months) that it's still fun each time you make a new character, because the decisions you make when you create your character change your character's story enough, AND the decisions you can make while leveling can be different enough, that it's an entirely new experience.

If you're going to make accusations on the game, at least do some research into it first. Just watching videos of the different classes at work, I can tell you that the five I've looked at (the casters, the engineer and the ranger) are vastly different. Hell, play style based on which weapon you have equipped can make the same class play very differently, from what I've read. The one dungeon video I've watched so far, these dungeons aren't going to be easy. The second room these guys walked into was literally covered in traps. There are puzzles you have to solve.

I'm trying hard not to sound like a fangirl here, especially since I haven't even played the game yet, but you should give me at least a little credit in my taste for games. I tried Rift, it bored me. TOR was fun and exciting for a while, and then I got bored of it because it was too much like WoW combat wise. I've tried plenty of other MMO's over the years, and aside from TOR, thus far none have even come close to holding a candle to WoW. I feel like GW2 actually has a shot of outshining WoW, because it does things so differently and from what I've read, it does them WELL. The only other MMO I've ever said that about was TOR. Only time will tell of course, but I think it's unfair of you to completely shoot a game down without giving it a chance.
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#17553 Aug 14 2012 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Y'know, there are reasons to do things at end game besides acquiring gear. Smiley: tongue There's the dynamic events that occur all over the world, and their outcomes can be different based on how well you succeed or how poorly you fail. The dungeons are going to each have a story mode and three different exploration modes, and your strategy will change based on your party make up. That will make them different. Probably not every single time you go in to the same dungeon, but I think it'll make it different enough that you'll want to go do them multiple times without it feeling grindy.
I'm being cynical here and the game could turn out much better than what I think may happen but there doesn't seem to be any sort of progress in the game. Which makes anything you do pointless because there's nothing to work towards.

Why would you do a Dungeon if it doesn't help you improve your character? Running them for fun looking gear won't keep people entertained for a year. Why would you even level a character if you can participate in endgame PvP with stock characters? There won't be enough Dynamic events that you won't have seen most of them within a month or two. People will very quickly find the best way to beat dungeons and that'll be that if the content is challenging enough where you need every advantage you can get and even if it doesn't quite get that hard, people will still want the best setup to get through the place quickly.

I'm not going to do any research into the game either as it looks like everything I don't want in an MMO and to me, it looks like a recipe for boring people after a month or two, maybe three. That's probably why they went with no subscription too, you buy it, enjoy leveling a few characters and quit because there's nothing new left to do and nothing to gain from repeating what you've already done a bunch of times.
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#17554 Aug 14 2012 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Also lolgaxe: ask Stan Lee anything
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#17555 Aug 14 2012 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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#17556 Aug 14 2012 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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Some of them, yeah. A lot of them are just boring.
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#17557 Aug 14 2012 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't quite mastered Stan Lee's ability to be an egotistical **** and sound completely modest about it yet. His egosty, if you will.
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#17559 Aug 14 2012 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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/r/circlejerk is possibly an example of what it would be like.
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#17560 Aug 14 2012 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're going to make accusations on the game, at least do some research into it first. Just watching videos of the different classes at work, I can tell you that the five I've looked at (the casters, the engineer and the ranger) are vastly different. Hell, play style based on which weapon you have equipped can make the same class play very differently, from what I've read.

One thing that can be annoying is that there is no resource management except for rogues, who use Initiative (Energy, except it goes to 10 instead of 100). Everything else is CD based. You have other things you can control, like switching weapons (most classes can hve two weapon set-ups), switching backpacks/kits (engineer), or switching elemental attunement (Elementalist?).

As for healing, Water elementalists and guardians are supposed to have some pretty powerful heals, although maybe not powerful enough to go full-on healer and carry people that like to stand in the green poo on the floor.

There are some definite perks, and some major "I'm not sure how well that will work..."s, but I figure it's worth the box price to be able to play it between other games, and there's no monthly sub, so it will cost me nothing to keep that game on the back-burner while I play WoW/TOR/TSW/whatever.
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#17561 Aug 14 2012 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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D3 legendaries suddenly became legendary.
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#17562 Aug 14 2012 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
The only thing SWTOR did well IMO was the class storyline quests. Every other quest was a standard MMO quest and this fact was highlighted over and over again by listening to the voiceovers. The fact that after leveling 2 classes to max I couldn't face another even with the cool class quests just shows how painful the rest of the questing was. This coming from someone who leveled about 15 toons over the years in WoW. I never did an instance at max level as finding a group was next to impossible and had to be done while hanging around bored in the spacefleet. They have finally released an LFG tool but I haven't touched the game for 4 months or so and can't see me going back.

At the moment I am playing EVE Online and finding it quite interesting. Skills train in realtime even when you are offline although you can only queue up 24 hrs in advance. However some skills can take 20+ days to train, so if you aren't going to be online for a few days, then you can generally queue up a long skill to cover you. The game is pretty much PvP orientated which is a bit funny because as a rule I don't PvP - but it does give you that feeling of danger while you are mining or something which stops it from getting boring. The learning curve is pretty steep but I joined a Player Corporation (guild) called EveUniversity which has more experienced members running classes and fleets for newer people and it made a big difference.

Having said that, i'll be buying the WoW expansion and will be back playing my druid again. How long the new content keeps me interested this time remains to be seen. I just get bored if I am not playing an MMO - single player games don't last me long and I can't go watch TV with my wife, she's watching too much period **** like Downton Abbey! (actually, i've actually watched the odd bit of it and it isn't terrible - but games are much more fun).
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#17563 Aug 14 2012 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
All right Aeth, I give up. Let's just agree to disagree then. Smiley: tongue I was trying to convince you to try the game because I thought it would be fun to play together, but truth be told I have no idea if they're releasing the game for Europe at the same time as NA.
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#17564 Aug 15 2012 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
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Pigtails, I'm still happy playing D3 for a while and an MMO is going to have to be really, really, really good and has to have proven to have a good endgame before I'm going to consider spending money on it.
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#17565 Aug 15 2012 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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Or you could download DCUO for free and be a total badass villain with me and the Joker.

Just saying... Smiley: um
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#17566 Aug 15 2012 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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I would play DCUO, but I'm on the third year of my six year exile from all MMOs. Which, wasn't a very well thought out plan. The whole point was so I could spend more time with my daughter until she started school. What hadn't occurred to me was that at some point I might get a day-shift job which would mean she'd be at school while I was at work and we'd both be home at the same time anyway.
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#17567 Aug 16 2012 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Slackers. So I'm sitting in the hospital because one of my soldier's ex-girlfriends attacked him with a stun gun and then stabbed him. Pretty sure there's more to the story, but eh.

So yay, great start of the work day.
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#17568 Aug 16 2012 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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I've got this mental image of you yelling at him for being unable to control his women and stupid enough to get stunned and stabbed by one.

Full Metal Jacket boot camp style!
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#17569 Aug 16 2012 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Nice way to start the day.... I hope he's alright.
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#17570 Aug 16 2012 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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Oh he'll be fine. Stabbed was at his right shoulder. Really hard to die from that, contrary to the movies.

But yeah, totally going to mock him once he's up and about.
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#17571 Aug 16 2012 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm curious why you're with him at the hospital? Did it happen while he was on duty or something?

Also, I hate those anti-bot verification things where you have to type in the scrambled text to prove that you're human. Eight out of ten times, I can't even read what the scrambled text is and I'm just guessing. So annoying.

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#17572 Aug 16 2012 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Bit of a story to that. MPs operate in three to four man teams; A team leader, a driver, a gunner, and occasionally a mook who a team leader can convince to be the truck's **** if they know what they're doing. As a team leader, it's pretty much protocol that you know how your team is doing and such. Kind of like a boss with way too much free time, basically. Now, combine that with the fact that we're pretty much more government property than employee, one's health and wellbeing is pretty much mandatory to keep track of.

I mean, we're National Guard so it's generally one weekend a month kind of deal (I work full time in a different department the rest of the month), but I still gotta know the condition of my people at all times. Basically I guess I could have typed less if I had just said something like "it's like if you get injured and you have to tell your boss" kind of deal. I'm just really tired from hearing how it's Elvis' 35 Deatherversary today. I pretty much went to the hospital to take statements to start reports and such so he'd be taken care of. It sounds bad, and it kind of is, but if every t isn't dotted and i isn't crossed then soldiers can get really screwed over when it comes to injuries and such.

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#17573 Aug 16 2012 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Creepy new avatar lolgaxe...
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#17575 Aug 16 2012 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
One of my Eugenian friends just found out she's pregnant! I'm so excited for her! Smiley: grin
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#17576 Aug 16 2012 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yay babies!

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#17577 Aug 16 2012 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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Yay babies!

Smiley: yippee
Let me guess, it's been long enough since you had to change diapers that babies are fun again?
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#17578 Aug 16 2012 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been a few hours at least. Smiley: bah

And the **** part isn't so bad when you aren't the one scooping it up. Smiley: grin
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#17579 Aug 16 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol
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#17580 Aug 16 2012 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
I just hope her fibromyalgia doesn't cause too many issues. I know part of the reason she hasn't had kids thus far was due to that.

I'm also worried about her ex, who I'm still friends with. They were in an open relationship for like 7 years, and she started dating her baby daddy less than six months ago (it was after I moved down here). She and her ex were even engaged for a couple years, then they amicably split up a couple months ago and she decided to go monogamous. Now she's pregnant (presumably) with the new guy's kid. Even though it was a mutually agreed upon break up, that's gotta sting... =/
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How is babby formed? How girl get pragnent?
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#17582 Aug 17 2012 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
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Haha, I remember that from the link on your sig some time ago Maz.
It was pretty hilarious.

Babby can't fright back!




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and occasionally a mook who a team leader can convince to be the truck's **** if they know what they're doing.
You have a way with words. Smiley: lol
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Haha, I remember that from the link on your sig some time ago Maz.
It was pretty hilarious.

Babby can't fright back!


Yeah, when I get kids and they ask me about the bees and the flowers and **** I'll just send them this:

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#17586 Aug 17 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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the sale on primo must end...

it is killing me.
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#17587 Aug 17 2012 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
So, basically you just want to confuse the **** out of your kids, Maz?
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it is killing me.


I'm assuming this is the beer thing? In which case I can think of worse ways to die.
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Interesting GW2 chatter. Guess PT and I will be off playing with each other while you kids wait for pandas =P

I have found that people entrenched in the statistical gear treadmill mindset just don't "get" GW2's stat cap philosophy. Not good or bad, it's just a different mentality. One which I honestly thought was a joke when I started beta (I was looking for another DCUO which I played here and there for a while on non-raid nights). What I discovered was a developer who did NOT just ask themselves how they could be different, but were asking themselves to get rid of preconceptions and ask themselves what players would find entertaining and appropriately challenging. I am certainly no fan of GW1 but after quite a bit of time in beta, I've found a challenging, fun game with a great deal of depth. A game which can adapt to a busy, limited schedule more readily =)

That's the only thing I was going to say on the subject. Other than that, xoxoxo all

TL;DR I was skeptical but playing changed my opinion.

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So, basically you just want to confuse the **** out of your kids, Maz?


Gotta live a little, y'know?
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reflecting champions in act 3 inferno can go suckstart a loaded revolver, drink bleach, rim themselves with a roll of barbed wire and more of such things. **** hat critting myself for 3k -.-
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#17592 Aug 17 2012 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
This Mashup-Germany guy is pretty good.

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That's an awesome mashup. I love **** pop.

Classic


"Embedding disabled" my ass.

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I think its bullshit that when I get home from bar/work no one else is ever around.

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I am around, sort of.
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#17596 Aug 19 2012 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
You get home too late Horsey. Work seems to like scheduling me for the 7-12 shifts, so staying up until 5am would be bad for me, lol.
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Sleep is for the weak Pigtails. Smiley: tongue

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TherionSaysWhat wrote:
Interesting GW2 chatter. Guess PT and I will be off playing with each other while you kids wait for pandas =P

I have found that people entrenched in the statistical gear treadmill mindset just don't "get" GW2's stat cap philosophy. Not good or bad, it's just a different mentality. One which I honestly thought was a joke when I started beta (I was looking for another DCUO which I played here and there for a while on non-raid nights). What I discovered was a developer who did NOT just ask themselves how they could be different, but were asking themselves to get rid of preconceptions and ask themselves what players would find entertaining and appropriately challenging. I am certainly no fan of GW1 but after quite a bit of time in beta, I've found a challenging, fun game with a great deal of depth. A game which can adapt to a busy, limited schedule more readily =)

That's the only thing I was going to say on the subject. Other than that, xoxoxo all

TL;DR I was skeptical but playing changed my opinion.

Edited, Aug 17th 2012 1:25pm by TherionSaysWhat

I'm not quite sure I follow where you're going with the "stat cap philosophy". Could you elaborate on what exactly it is that GW2 is doing that you like?
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#17599 Aug 19 2012 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
I guess I'm weak then, because I've been doing a lot of sleeping lately. Sleeping for five to six hours, then working, coming home, and napping for an hour or two. I'm not sure if this is healthy or not. >.<
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I wish the work day had a designated nap time.
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#17601 Aug 19 2012 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
I wish the work day had a designated nap time.


It'd called from after lunch until I go home.
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