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So, just to clarify since I am easily confused, does this mean clipping the DoT, or firing again as soon as the DoT wears off but not weaving in another shot in between?

Okay, good. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. :)

oh, that is freaking great news. I missed that talk on the EJ forums so thanks for mentioning it here. Just doing ES on L&L procs sure will make things even easier

Ok, so I recently respecced from MM to SV in hopes to up my dps, since SV is the preffered raiding spec at the moment. My problem is my dps actually went down. I think my spec is ok, and my gear isn't too bad.
My shot rotation is Serpent, Explosive, Aimed, Steady, Steady, until Explosive cools down.
On target dummies, using the terrorshaft arrows I was only getting around 1400 dps, closer to 2000 if I dropped a trap. I was using the dragonhawk buff but that was it.
In H Violet hold last night (using flask, buff food, and saronite arrows) I was getting between 1600 and 2200 dps.
As MM I was getting 1800 to 2500 dps most of the time, couple of times I hit 3000.
I use the same pet for both specs, a moth.
I hear SV hunters in Naxx are getting over 3000. I'm really have no idea what i'm doing wrong, and any suggestion or help would be appreciated!

Here is my armory profile:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ysera&n=Magwen
My haste is also pitifully low, I'm wondering if that could be the problem, and if so, what should I get rid of to add more?

My guess would be that you're clipping Explosive Shots, that seems to be a really common reason some people don't see a DPS increase switching to Survival.

I noticed that you have a bunch of gems and enchants devoted to raising your hit rating--did you have Focused Aim before re-speccing and have to redo your enchants? If so, that could also account for some lost damage.

In your WOTLK *** you said that Survival was best for raids and such,would you be able to explain why it's best? I've took a LONG break and have only just started pplaying again recently,and I've alwaus loved BM/marks myself,and no-one minded me bringing my BM pet into BC raids and such,once I proved I knew what I was doing. Also who much quickly should I be expecting to change my gear as I level as most of it has good gems in it,and I'd hate to be throwing good gems away..

Edited, Apr 15th 2009 11:31am by ozwwjd

Isn't there a similar argument now for having one BM along for FI?

For a survival PVE only hunter, I was wondering what I should put my last pet talent point into. This is what I have so far. Of Wild Hunt or Shark Attack, is one generally better than the other?

Ok I had a question concerning shot rotation for SV Hunter. I did go through the stickies, but didn't see anything that explain the shot rotation. I have spec with SV before all the changes, but for the most part I was specced BM. Some websites say that you should start off with ES then follow up with a couple of SS. I guess my first questions is, should I lead off with ES and if so, what should I follow up with? Would it look like something like this - ES,SS,SS,SS? With BM, I average about 2400 dps, but with SV I am lucky if I get up to 1500 dps. I have tried several different strategies, but cannot seem to figure out. If someone could either point me in the right direction or help me out here, it would be appreciated.

I also notice that in one of the stickies that it had a lot of basic information that most people are aware of. Is it possibly to have your basic information in one sticky and then put the more elite information in another sticky. I tend find that people that are just learning do not need to worry themselfs with the more experience information such as shot rotation, attribute math, shot-rotation macros (which there really isn't any use for anymore). The basic information sticky would be more for how to tame a pet, what attributes to look for, builds ect.... Maybe this has already been tried and doesn't seem to work. I was just curious, because when I go through the sticky it just seems like there is too much information to go through. A lot of it seems to be information that most would know (except for the newer players). Please don't take this the wrong way, just wanting to make a suggestion.

Thanks for help in advance!

Here is my armory link - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Greensparrow

Edited, Apr 16th 2009 6:02pm by Shadowflage

You prolly wanna do
(Kill shot >) Black Arrow > Serpent Sting> Explosive shot > Aimed/Multi shot > Steady Shot.

Because SV hunters have a talent that increases all damage they do by 3% if they have a serpent sting on the target. Thats 500 additional damage on your ES (if it normally crits for 5.1k thats 153 damage more per shot and a total of 459 which I rounded, because most of the time the crits won't be 5.1k exactly)


I have a question, about improved stings in the marksmen tree. This is my talent build Dietoliveko on Shu'halo

Just about every hunter Build I have seen includes improved stings because you are always going to have SS on a target. My question is if I take those 2 points out of improved stings and put them in resourcefulness (reduces cooldown of traps and black arrow) do you think that would be wise?

I mean serpent sting is up all the time so imrpoving it's damage seemed like the right thing to do, but when BA is my damage is pretty sick so if I can have that more I think it would be a marginal dps increase?

Comments?

So should I start off with ES or Black Arrow?


I have a quesiton about LnL. I looked at the spell and how it was worded. It seems that you have to put down a trap in order to get the most benefit out of it. I guess I a little confused on how that works. Since the xpac has come out I have not had to trap a whole bunch and was curious what the best strategy is for this. When the mob sets off the trap does this cause the LnL to proc or is the combination of the traps (freezing trap, freezing arrow and frost trap) and black arrow/immolation trap that procs LnL? If the trap procs LnL is the strategy to run up and throw down a freezing trap, freezing arrow or a frost trap next to the tank and let the tank pull to the trap? Does LnL proc at this point(once the mob has set off trap) or do I need wait for the tank to build aggro and fire a BA to proc?

Sorry about this guys, I feel like I am starting over again with my Hunter. SV has completely change (in my mind) since I last played it. I have alot of questions and I don't want to keep bugging you guys about. Anyone know of a good website or thread that describes the best strategy (specifically LnL).


Appreciate the information!

Edited, Apr 17th 2009 3:50pm by Shadowflage

Another SV trick is sniper training. IT requires 6 seconds of not moving, but then gives you a 15 second buff. AT that point you can move, and as long as you stop and hold still for the last 6 seconds of the buff you'll maintain full or close to full uptime. This also involves a lot of planning. To get the most out of SV is not that easy anymore.

Is anyone else having trouble with Call of the Wild setting itself to autocast, similar to the Cower/Prowl bugginess? It's driving me crazy, personally I don't think anything with such a long cooldown should be able to autocast at all. >.<