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#1 Nov 05 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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THREAD PRETTY MUCH DISCONTINUED, I WILL LIKELY BE WORKING THIS THREAD INTO THE FAQ FOR CATACLYSM. FOR NOW JUST GRIND HEROICS FOR EMBLEMS AND GO RAID.

How to prepare your new hunter for raids:
Step 1: Grind emblems until you get nauseous.
Step 2: Puke.
Step 3: Go to step 1.














This topic is made for hunters new to raiding.
As Naxx10/25 won't teach you jack sh*t about raiding, I'm going to do so here.
This thread will focus on learning how, when and most importantly why you do things.
I will, hopefully, help you find your place in raids as a hunter.


NOTES:
- Reworking the list, from now on do not expect a cut and clear list of options.
I'll be focusing more on how to pick gear and how to develop the skills you need for raiding making this more of a "Hunter, Preparing to raid!" sticky as opposed to a gearlist.

- Major construction going on right now, the gearlist in it's old form is gone and will soon be replaced with a guide on how to gear yourself up.


Speccing and Glyphing

'Cookie-Cutter' raid builds:
BM 53/11/7
Priority: Kill Shot, Arcane, Serpent Sting, Multi-Shot, Steady Shot.
Why don't you go for imp. arcane shot in MM?
Simply because Arcane shot is not 20% of your dps, and the talents in SV all give about 1% more dps.

MM 7/57/7, agility
Priority: Silencing Shot, Serpent Sting, Chimera Shot, Kill Shot, Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot.
When do I use readiness?
Right after you've used Rapid Fire, Chimera shot and Kill shot (if usable).

MM 7/57/7, Armor Penetration
Priority: Silencing Shot, Serpent Sting, Chimera Shot, Kill Shot, Aimed Shot, Steady Shot.
What's different about this build?
You drop arcane shot from your rotation in favor of more physical damage.
To make this work you do need very good gear, armor penetration gems and one of the two armor penetration trinkets.

SV 0/15/56
Priority: Kill Shot, Explosive Shot, Black Arrow, Serpent Sting, Aimed Shot, Steady Shot.
This is, by all means, the standard raiding build.
It's mana efficient, high dps.

SV 6/14/51
Priority: Kill Shot, Explosive Shot, Black Arrow, Serpent Sting, Multi-Shot, Steady Shot.
Why the points in BM?
Because they give additional dps, you do however trade in your mana efficiency for that dps.

Raiding Glyphs:
BM
Bestial Wrath, not going to explain this one it's beyond obvious.
Kill Shot, Why glyph a shot that you can only shoot at 20% mob hp or lower? because the **** thing crits for 12-15k in 25 man raids.
Serpent Sting, not so impressive but it helps. It is slightly higher dps than steady shot (depending on gear), is a tiny bit more mana effecient and makes your rotation a little easier.

MM
Serpent Sting, why glyph for 6 extra seconds of SrS when it's refreshed every 10 seconds?
Because that's 2 extra ticks, or 40% more damage from the SrS part of chimera.
Kill Shot, Same as above only it crits for a bit more.
Steady Shot, not impressive but it increases dps.
Why no Chimera/Aimed shot glyphs? because they mess up your rotation.

SV
Explosive shot, obvious.
Kill Shot, same as MM only now it also crits more often!
Serpent Sting, same as BM.

Why Cookie Cutter?
Because Cookie Cutters are Cookie Cutters for a reason.
I could go type out pages of text here about how much it annoys me to see a hunter specced 0/71/0 thinking he's awesome.
Cookie Cutters are simply proven to be the optimal build for dps, using your own unique build isn't going to make you special, it will make you special.

Now, there is a catch to this.
You can alter your spec if you know it will be beneficial to the raid.
For example, I used Hawk Eye instead of trap mastery when I was SV.
Why? because that extra 6 yards of range help a lot when doing ulduar hardmodes and staying out of AoE, spreading out and a higher dps time on the boss.
It's that flexibility that I valued over the ~60-70dps trap mastery would give me, as it not only made it easier for me to dps and move, but also for other people in my raid on fights where you need to spread out.
Now as MM, I'm using a spec with 2/2 GftT and 1/3 Focused Aim instead of 2/3 Imp. Steady shot.
Why? because the spreadsheet says it's higher dps (Focused aim is per definition if you can use the hit) with my current gear.
And logical thinking makes the switch away from cookie cutter easier.
2/2 GftT will counter your pet getting out of focus on bad streaks easier and both the hit and GftT are always good while steady shot is the first thing to get cut out on movement.

Putting points in say.... Imp. Hunter's Mark instead of imp. Arcane because you think the talent is cooler is a bad idea.
Doing so because you are usually in raids with 3+ hunters and you're the mark **** is a good idea.
Point one overrides point two here, the key to altering a cookie cutter spec is to know why you are doing it, what it costs you and what you gain from it.


Pets:
check Petopia for more and detailed information.

In raiding you want your pet to enhance your dps as much as possible.
You do not want it to have utility, because those utility things are very rarely useful in a raiding environment.
A list of popular (raiding) pets:

Wolf: The current top dps pet for MM and SV, only slightly behind devilsaurs for BM.
Their Howl giving 320 AP for 20 seconds every 40 seconds (for an average 160 AP) gives the hunter a great boost.

Raptor: Not the top dps anymore, but as BM they still have potential.
Cat: Solid dps, not top but they're solid, always have been and always will be.
Wasp: Wasps are great if you do not have Faerie Fire in your raidgroup as they apply the debuff.
If you have a druid/warlock who applies Faerie Fire/Curse of Recklessness, they're fairly weak.
Ravager: Used to be good in BC, is **** now.
Wind Serpent: Same as the ravager, they got killed by being put into the cunning category.
Scorpid: Had it's spike in BC, got nerfed, spiked again in Wrath and is now nerfed again.

51pt BM pets:
Devilsaur: The top dps pet for BM, but they have 1 major disadvantage.
Their size, it is quite massive to begin with, and it's special boosts it up by quite a bit which hinders visibility for the melee, and more importantly it gives devilsaurs the ability to get hit by every possible AoE.
Which, of course, causes them to die fairly easily. (especially on Sartharion, where they almost can't avoid lava waves if they have their special and BW stacked)
Worm: A tenacity pet, and low damage. however if you do not have Expose armor/Sunder armor the worm's debuff more than makes up for it's lack in dps.

Spirit beast: Yes you like the way it looks, and it's "rare" but because it's a rare spawn it'll never be competitive dps.
I'm sorry, but it really is just for show.

Pet specs:
Ferocity
Cunning*
Tenacity*
* Note: I do not advise using pets other than the ones listed above as good raiding pets, however these are specs I would use should you want to ignore my advise.

General rules of thumb:
* Your pet is melee, that means that you should place it where the other melee is.
* If melee has to run, so does your pet. (with the exception of some AoE, as your pet avoids 75%)
* Your pet is roughly 20% of your damage (45%+ for BM), keeping it alive is worth mana and time.


Gearing yourself up:

In contrary to the previous incarnations of this thread, this will now only be a small part of it.

When you're gearing up, you'll have to be smart about it.
Just endlessly running heroics of which the last boss can drop an epic that is slightly better than your blue isn't going to get you ready for raids very quickly.

There are a lot of crafted pieces and BoE raid drops.
Pick your gear from these, based on your budget and the overall quality of the item.
There's a sweet pair of ulduar10 bracers that are BoE, they're also not too uncommon so the price is probably not that high.
The gloves from Naxx10 are loaded with hit and thus can be a valuable piece for you.

The Argent tournament is another easy way to guaranteed epics, both the gun and the staff are worth getting.

Then, there are certain pieces that you really want to at least try to get from heroics.
The new trial of the crusader provides insanely good gear to anyone with about 10% of their brain functioning, it's worth running daily on heroic and farming it on normal until you have all it gives as the drops are some of the best for their ilevel.

You're going to have to research for yourself what you can get, what you have to work towards and how you're going to do that.
Yes it will take some time, but wowhead and Femaledwarf will help you pick your gear.
The great thing about femaledwarf is that you can experiment without the penalty of paying tons of gold.
And it also shows values for stats so it's easier to see if a piece of gear is worth it or not.

Note: Picking up sidegrades where you can (taking things that would otherwise be disenchanted for example) and not instantly throwing away your previous piece of gear when you get a new one is helpful as it allows you to play with gear to get the best setup for you.

Gemming & Enchanting:

Detailed hunter gemlist
All Credits are for Feardeal on Elitist Jerks who made this.
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This part of the thread is to provide a quick reference of gem prioritization for hunters in the Wrath of the Lich King expansion. It is still recommended to consult the Hunter spreadsheet for a more detailed assessment of your personal gearing.

Red:
Bright Scarlet Ruby +32 Attack Power or Delicate Scarlet Ruby +16 Agility.

Yellow:
Rigid Autumn's Glow + 16 Hit Rating. (*when 16 hit rating or more from Hit cap.)

Blue:
Not recommended.

Orange:
Pristine Monarch Topaz +16 Attack Power, +8 Hit Rating or Glinting Monarch Topaz +8 Agility, +8 Hit Rating. (*if under hit cap)
Wicked Monarch Topaz +16 Attack Power, +8 Critical Strike Rating or Deadly Monarch Topaz +8 Agility, +8 Critical Strike Rating. (*if hit capped)

Purple
Balanced Twilight Opal +16 Attack Power, +12 Stamina or Shifting Twilight Opal +8 agility, +12 Stamina.

Green:
Vivid Forest Emerald +8 Hit Rating, +12 Stamina (*if not hit capped.)
Jagged Forest Emerald +8 Critical Strike Rating, +12 Stamina. (*if hit capped.)

Prismatic:
Enchanted Tear (*fills all Meta requirements)

Meta:
Relentless Earthsiege Diamond +21 Agility, +3% increased Critical Strike damage.

But this list has multiple options! How do I know which one to choose?
Well, you'll have to put that grey stuff between your ears to work.
Think about what your talents do to enhance certain stats, what raidbuffs do for you, and how stats scale with your pet.

Socketbonuses
They're just not worth it.
Fulfill your meta requirements with either a +6 to all stats gem, a +8hit/12 stam gem or +8 hit/8 agi (or 16AP) and a +8 agi (or 16 AP)/12 stam gem.
Pick up the best bonuses you can with that and gem all other sockets for Agility or Attack Power.

This might sound unnatural, but look at the socketbonuses.
Take the T7.5 legs for example.
Getting this socket bonus requires a blue gem, so to get it we use one +16 agility gem and 1 +8 agi/12 stam gem.
What we get is +24 agility, 12 stamina and 12 attack power.
What we get if we gem for straight agility is +32 agility.
So it's 8 agility vs 12 stamina and 12 attack power, that looks good for the purple gem right?
Well, no not really.
Stamina gives no dps unless you're survival, in which case it's an extra 4 attack power.
1 agility is better than 2 attack power for anyone not BM specced.
And agility scales with Blessing of Kings to boost.
So it ends up as 8 agility vs 12(16) attack power and 120(132) health, giving straight up agility gems the edge.

The epic gems coming in 3.2 will only make socketbonuses less worth it.



Hunter Macro's
Note: to make a macro open chat and type /macro
You will then get a nice box where you can make new macro's, give them a nice picture (the ? shows the icon of the ability it will use) and a name.


Addons



Super Sites and threads you need to read:

TKAsomething forums More advanced math and theory than here, and very helpful to get you from good to great. :)

Elitist Jerks The place where most of the hardcore theorycrafting happens.

Cheeky's Spreadsheet (last page See wich upgrade/rotation gets you the best dps.
Thank cheeky for this, on your bare knees. And Thank Shandara for continuing it.

www.FemaleDwarf.com
The online version of the spreadsheet, thank you Zeherah!

Hunter Consumable List+info
Thanks to TKA.


Preparing for raids:
Step 1: Know the damn tactics.
Step 2: Come prepared, all your gear is properly gemmed and enchanted, you have enough flasks and statfood for the entire raid (and then some) without relying on someone to drop fish feasts for you all night long, you have enough ammo with you to last you well over one raid, you have enough food and drink to last you the entire night if there is no mage and your gear better be repaired and at 100%.
Step 3: Know your limits, don't try to get into raids you can't handle dps wise.
You might get some fat loot there, but you'll also make a bad impression on the raid.
Making a good impression and building a good reputation for yourself will get you much further.
Step 4: ASK QUESTIONS. really, you'll make a much better impression on people by saying "Hey, I haven't done this boss before. I know all the strats but could you give me a quick run through of how you do the fight?" than by keeping quiet and @#%^ing up or performing badly.

There's a few key elements that make you an awesome raider.
And suprisingly (*cough*NOT*cough*) is that it's all between your ears.
Use your brain, learn from your mistakes, pay attention to your surroundings.
Don't stand in the fire for 2 seconds, know that it can come and be prepared to run out (run, don't jump! jumping can cause WoW to think you're at the place you jumped from until you land making you take extra ticks of damage).
Being able to not @#%^ up is a massive part of being a good raider.

It's a normal thing for everyone to mess up from time to time, it happens and if you're unlucky it even wipes your raid.
No big deal, as long as you're man (or woman) enough to admit that you made a mistake and smart enough to learn from it.

Another thing you need to do is have vent/ts and a microphone.
Announce when things happen to you that changes how people interact with you.
Do you need extra healing? did you mess up and need someone to cover you in whatever you had to do? are you taking over for someone because they can't make it? need to do something people need to react to? SAY SO!

But your guildies don't have/use microphones? so @#%^ing what, you can.
You can't use it for another reason? find a way to fix that.
You don't have a mic? they're only $5 for a cheap one, no point not having one.
You're afraid to talk over vent/ts? stop being shy and just talk, people won't hate you for it.
Even if your voice is annoying as **** they'll appreciate the communication.



Applying to a guild:

Fill in the questions properly and be honest.
Use proper english and don't answer questions with one word.
Tell the guild as much relevant info about yourself.
(relevant is the keyword here, I want to know that you tinker with your gear, spec, enchants etc on femaledwarf.com for an hour before you go to sleep. I do not want to know that you **** while doing so.)

This guide is also very nice.
It's outdated but the main points are still true.





Any constructive critisism, gear I missed, enchants I missed or other tips/tricks that should be added (or removed) are very welcome so please post them.


Thanks in advance for any help,
-Æthien


The credits for making this are not just for me, I couldnt have made it anywhere near as complete as it is now without all the people from Allakhazam and TKA that helped.

Edited, Nov 8th 2008 12:53pm by Azuarc. Yay for sticky![/sm]



Edited, Sep 4th 2010 1:03pm by Aethien
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It's kind of hard making a solid list because well... WotLK isnt released yet >.>

And for no It's still empty, but that'll change within a few hours.
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you the man.....man. Now if someone would take Cheeky's spreadsheet and update it for the expansion, then I'd be in heaven.

Everyone knows he quit wow right? so no more spreadsheet unless someone with more time and knowledge than I have takes over....unless he comes back to wow-crack


Edited, Nov 5th 2008 3:35pm by zebug
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you the man.....man. Now if someone would take Cheeky's spreadsheet and update it for the expansion, then I'd be in heaven.

Everyone knows he quit wow right? so no more spreadsheet unless someone with more time and knowledge that I have takes over....unless he comes back ti wow-crack
The Spreadsheet is being updated by Shandara on TKA.
I dont think it stopped for more than 3 days Smiley: tongue
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Is this going to be updated with Allakhazam links once this site gets more information on this, or should we just view the list from TKASomething to get the nifty hover tooltips?
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Rateups for j00. Glad you're taking the time to do this.
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Is this going to be updated with Allakhazam links once this site gets more information on this, or should we just view the list from TKASomething to get the nifty hover tooltips?
Probably once it stops being updated all the time.
At the moment I just have 1 word file to make em both.
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Wooh, Sticky again Smiley: grin
Thanks Azuarc.
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#12 Nov 09 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
We should wikify this for you as well. Good post!
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http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41182 anyone?
Massive agi, ap and hit, low lvl requirement, no unneeded stats, looks quite cheap...
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oO that thing has quite nice stats for a lvl 74 weapon.
Equal to most lvl 80 ones.

It'll be in the list on next update.
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#15 Nov 18 2008 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
Any chance of seeing recommended stats for level 80 raiding? I'll be playing my Priest the coming month or two, so I can't really use my own gear and experiences as a template. But the guild still wants me to have the final say in any Hunter applications or in-guild gearchecks. It would be useful to have at least a baseline to go out from.
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Will be coming a.s.a.p.
I'll get back to work on the list when I've got some time left.

Though at the moment I'm rather busy leveling Smiley: grin
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You don't say? I've been spending more time gawking at the sights than actually doing quests. Good job Blizzard...
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Well, I just had some time left >.>
Stupid servers are down until 13:00.

Sooo... Gemlist added and I send around a couple PM's to find out good stats to aim for.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Well, I just had some time left >.>
Stupid servers are down until 13:00.

Sooo... Gemlist added and I send around a couple PM's to find out good stats to aim for.


And you haven't sent a pm to me. Shame on you *giggles*

Cleared Naxx(10) today as a 50/21/0 BM hunter. Stats where roughly: 3k AP, 9k Mana, 13k HP, 20% crit and 4%hit
It is doable with less stats. I believe you could go with 2.5k AP, 15%crit, 0% hit, 8k Mana and ~10k HP unbuffed.

Edit: And there are some nice epic gloves in heroic violet hold Handgrips of the Savage Emissary

Edited, Nov 20th 2008 5:36am by Mulgrin
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I didnt send you a PM?
I was sure I did ><

Anyways, thanks for the stats, I'll use those for now ^^
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Honestly you can simplify this list greatly.

Almost all slots can be bought on AH or with rep items that will be met while leveling.

The drop rate of BOE blues in Heroics is insanely high, I have run 6 heriocs since dinging and I have seen at least 10 BOE drops. The AH is packed with the stuff.

Any who wants to get Naxx ready quick can do it at 80 just by hitting the AH, money being insanely easy to come by.

You can buy T7 chest and gloves with emblems of heroism too:) 2 piece set bonus without setting foot in Naxx. 140 badges for both BTW, less than crossbow/axe alone from BC.
Most heroics are pretty **** easy if you have a decent tank/healer.
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Update:
Added stats to aim for, and a bunch of spec.
Feel free to check them and correct me if I made any mistakes :)
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Nice guide, good job ! :D
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http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44295 from Argent Crusade (Exalted) to me the best chest pre-raiding. And pretty easy to achieve with quests, few dailies and tabard in dungeons.

Twin-Headed Boots, ??? (you get these from Heroic Violet Hold boss called Lavanthor)

Edited, Dec 15th 2008 5:10am by Gromac
#25 Dec 17 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
Boots of the Neverending Path also from the AC exalted are pretty good if your hurting for hit.
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Universal Raiding Glyphs:

Glyph of Serpent Sting* - Increases the duration of your Serpent Sting by 3 sec.

Glyph of Steady Shot** - Increases the damage dealt by Steady Shot by 10% when your target is afflicted with Serpent Sting.

Glyph of Hunter's Mark - Increases the attack power bonus of your Hunter's Mark by 20%.

Glyph of Aspect of the Viper - Increases the amount of mana gained from attacks Aspect of the Viper is active by 10%.

Glyph of Immolation Trap - Decreases the duration of the effect from your Immolation Trap by 6 sec., but damage while active is increased by 100%.

Talent Spec Specific Raiding Glyphs:

Glyph of Bestial Wrath - Decreases the cooldown of Bestial Wrath by 20 sec.

Glyph of Trueshot Aura - While your Trueshot Aura is active, you have 10% increased critical strike chance on your Aimed Shot.

Glyph of Improved Aspect of the Hawk - Increases the haste bonus of Improved Aspect of the Hawk by an additional 6%.

*Serpent Sting - Currently there is a bug with this glyph and Chimera Shot. After applying the sting and using Chimera Shot the duration will return to normal negating the Glyph.

**Steady Shot - Currently there is a bug with this Glyph and the talent "Marked for Death" under the Marksman Tree. If you have this talent the glyph WILL NOT increase your damage of Steady Shot while a target has a Serpent Sting on them.


Mind you these are just glyphs to get you started into raiding depending on what is available to you and what your current spec is.

Glyph of Immolation Trap was added for SV - Trap Dancing and may actually prove to do a bit more DPS, although the Tooltip's damage is a bit off and this may be a bug either on displaying the damage done, or the actual damage is bugged and needs to be fixed.

Also note that Glyph of Imp. Aspect of the Hawk may be an incentive to not invest all 5 points into the talent. Your chance to proc the effect will always stay at 10% regardless of how many points are invested, the only difference is by how much haste you will receive once it procs, leaving you open for additional points to spend elsewhere if you so desire.
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Updated.
* Gemlist replaced by a much better one from Feardeal on Elitist Jerks.

* Added Glyph info. (ty Joobishwun)
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Just wondering why the Severed Noose of Westwind wasn't on the list of neck pieces? It seems to be fairly desirable for a hunter, with AP, crit, agi, sta and a yellow socket. Fairly easy to pick up via quest, too.

Severed Noose of Westwind

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Add Interwoven Scale Bracers to the epic drops outside of raids.
Add Sharp-barbed Leather Belt to the epic drops outside of raids also.
Consider adding Signet of Bridenbrad to the regular blue rings.

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Very useful list as always. Many thanks

I am going for AC exalted to get the chest and notice they also do Boots of the Neverending Path as well. Although they are leather they look pretty strong on stats to me.

Also I've gone for the Swiftarrow Helm which seems pretty much as good as the Toothslice listed.

Worth noting that for a LW the fur-lining enchant on wrists is better than the Greater Assault.

I currently have the Death Knight's Anguish trinket. The crit buff on this seems to happen a lot. Is it worthwhile or just a gimmick?



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Under the "Epic gear outside raids" section the feet entry says
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Crippled Threads Kirin Tor Exalted.


but leads to Boots of Twinkling Stars.
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I think the "cookie cutter" builds in the top section have broken with the talent changes. I just looked at the SV one and it didn't have Black Arrow or Explosive shot Smiley: smile

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I found this quite interesting, and thought it might be worth linking to in this thread. What do you guys think?

Mostly it makes me feel bad because some of my gear still isn't up to this level. <.<
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Nice update, Aethien.
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Raiding Glyphs:

Why Cookie Cutter?

Detailed hunter gemlist

Socketbonuses
All have (updated) text now.


Preparing for raids:
Has text now too.

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Awesome post.

Maybe add a very short blurb about going for the Helm in UK when you mention the bow. Heroic UK is a great starting instance because it's super easy and you can get two top-notch starter peaces off the same boss.
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why in the 0/15/56 sv build's shooting priority black arrow isn't used ? . it's not that efficient overall ?
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he probably just forgot to add it or you should just know it goes in there.
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