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Well, i know this is a pretty debated subject, but how can Paladins tank as well
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Well, i know this is a pretty debated subject, but how can Paladins tank as well as warriors, all i know of is the taunt to grab aggro, but how do they hold it?
Well, i know this is a pretty debated subject, but how can Paladins tank as well as warriors, all i know of is the taunt to grab aggro, but how do they hold it?
By re rolling as a warrior maybe?
you can become a amazing tank as a Pally, but if a warrior switches to a Protection build you(read this as I) cant realy compeat. I was a grat tank though SM, but became a great Offtank after that
Hope somebody else has a better awnser for ya.
you can become a amazing tank as a Pally, but if a warrior switches to a Protection build you(read this as I) cant realy compeat. I was a grat tank though SM, but became a great Offtank after that
Hope somebody else has a better awnser for ya.
you hold aggro by grabbing imp righteous fury... throwing avenger's shield, and consecrating as much as you can... when i do this and use SOR or SoV, i can hold aggro just fine.. and if anyone takes aggro i usually letthem have them and then tell them later that they need to hold back a little longer than they might a warrior tank. The only time i use my taunt is if the healer gets aggro. Hope that helps.
theSensation wrote:
you hold aggro by grabbing imp righteous fury... throwing avenger's shield, and consecrating as much as you can... when i do this and use SOR or SoV, i can hold aggro just fine.. and if anyone takes aggro i usually letthem have them and then tell them later that they need to hold back a little longer than they might a warrior tank. The only time i use my taunt is if the healer gets aggro. Hope that helps.
It's actually much simpler than that, and yet at the same time isn't.
Paladins can tank just as well as Warriors and Feral Druids, but they do it in their own unique way. Warriors tank in the most basic way, by generating straight threat through their tank-oriented abilities with extra threat in Defensive Stance. Druids tank by generating extra threat on all of their damage abilities in Bear Form. Paladins tank by (don't miss it now) causing Holy damage which, with Righteous Fury up, will generate the threat you need to hold aggro above and beyond the damage and healing of your teammates.
Paladins do this through several spells, Holy Shield, Avenger's Shield, Retribution Aura, Consecration, Seals, and Judgements (preferably Seal of Righteousness or Seal of Vengeance for the last two), all with Righteous Fury up.
Also, if you want to tank with a Paladin, you really, really need to spec Protection to do it. You can do a passable job when Holy or Retribution, but you'll still be no better than a third-rate tank even at the top of your game.
theSensation wrote:
you hold aggro by [...] consecrating as much as you can
You really shouldn't need to do this. I toss one out early, or in conjunction with a taunt and then rarely otherwise. It's a massive mana suck and generally I find that I really don't need it.
The only time (aside from those mentioned above) that I ever use it overly much is:
When the mage is AoEing like crazy.
Only when tanking multiple mobs and people aren't hitting the targets they're supposed to be hitting.
Beyond that? Nope, don't spam it never will. Never need to.
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theSensation wrote:
you hold aggro by [...] consecrating as much as you can
You really shouldn't need to do this. I toss one out early, or in conjunction with a taunt and then rarely otherwise. It's a massive mana suck and generally I find that I really don't need it.
The only time (aside from those mentioned above) that I ever use it overly much is:
When the mage is AoEing like crazy.
Only when tanking multiple mobs and people aren't hitting the targets they're supposed to be hitting.
Beyond that? Nope, don't spam it never will. Never need to.
you hold aggro by [...] consecrating as much as you can
You really shouldn't need to do this. I toss one out early, or in conjunction with a taunt and then rarely otherwise. It's a massive mana suck and generally I find that I really don't need it.
The only time (aside from those mentioned above) that I ever use it overly much is:
When the mage is AoEing like crazy.
Only when tanking multiple mobs and people aren't hitting the targets they're supposed to be hitting.
Beyond that? Nope, don't spam it never will. Never need to.
/agree. consider it like Thunderclap: grabs aggro but also damages and wakes the mobs. nothing like a rogue hitting Gouge or a pally Repentence and then a 20dmg consecrate tick waking up the mob while your trying to control the fight.
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I agree about not spamming consecrate, especially if you are using your other holy output optimally. Nobody mentioned BoSanctuary. I never tank without it.
Righteous Fury - once improved doubles threat from holy attacks
BofSanc - reduces damage taken and returns holy damage
Avenger - ranged/pull attack that hits 3 targets
Holy Shield - frequently procs damage to all attackers (if your gonna spam anything it's this one cuz it costs way less than consecrate)
Consecrate - AoE DoT used initially to establish threat (or re-establish)
Righteous Defense - like a taunt, but used on the friend in trouble so it taunts ALL of his/her attackers
BofProt - 10 sec of immunity from attack for a friend (typically makes the foe return to you as next highest threat)
BofSac - placed on a friend, some of damage he/she takes goes to pally
There are a variety of seals that do holy dmg as well. I've taken a liking to SoVengeance which stacks as a DoT and can be judged for bonus dmg.
IMO a prot spec pally can tank almost as well as a defense warrior. However, if spec is prot, its difficult to be effective in heal/dps roles so be sure you will be in tank role mostly.
Melee attack is not as important to a pally tank, so they should give up +str for +sta, +int, and +sp dam.
Righteous Fury - once improved doubles threat from holy attacks
BofSanc - reduces damage taken and returns holy damage
Avenger - ranged/pull attack that hits 3 targets
Holy Shield - frequently procs damage to all attackers (if your gonna spam anything it's this one cuz it costs way less than consecrate)
Consecrate - AoE DoT used initially to establish threat (or re-establish)
Righteous Defense - like a taunt, but used on the friend in trouble so it taunts ALL of his/her attackers
BofProt - 10 sec of immunity from attack for a friend (typically makes the foe return to you as next highest threat)
BofSac - placed on a friend, some of damage he/she takes goes to pally
There are a variety of seals that do holy dmg as well. I've taken a liking to SoVengeance which stacks as a DoT and can be judged for bonus dmg.
IMO a prot spec pally can tank almost as well as a defense warrior. However, if spec is prot, its difficult to be effective in heal/dps roles so be sure you will be in tank role mostly.
Melee attack is not as important to a pally tank, so they should give up +str for +sta, +int, and +sp dam.
theSensation wrote:
and if anyone takes aggro i usually letthem have them and then tell them later that they need to hold back a little longer than they might a warrior tank.
Heh forgot to address this - I did this last night in fact... No, not tell them to wait. Well I did tell them to mind their aggro but they couldn't seem to manage it. So the absolute BEAUTY of a paladin tank is that you can directly control who gets aggro not by doing something to the mob, but by doing something to the player. Someone repeatedly takes aggro from me and they now no longer get BoM or BoK or BoW, they get Salvation. And nine times out of 10 they won't even notice it. (yeah I know, if a mage/rogue/whatever is hellbent on getting aggro it's going to happen but generally speaking this works REALLY well)
Another trick someone on these boards mentioned was that you can take it a step further. Someone rushes in and doesn't give you the time you need? BoProtection. Oh, what's that? You can't perform any physical activities on the mob for 10 seconds? What a shame, I need to get aggro. I've never had to use this one but I imagine that they player would get the hint after a time or two of this.
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Upwind wrote:
There are a variety of seals that do holy dmg as well. I've taken a liking to SoVengeance which stacks as a DoT and can be judged for bonus dmg.
Generally speaking I tend to use Vengeance for boss fights and Righteousness for the trash. The thinking being, for trash I need an immediate dmg hit to a mob to have the taunt take or hopefully it works when RD is on cooldown. If the mob wasn't the one I was hitting, judging SoV isn't going to do crap for that.
On bosses Vengeance rocks though - if you get stunned, knocked back, or like that guy in, what, Mana tombs? That you can't hit for a while except the hunters? Having that DoT tick helps so much in maintaining the aggro on you even when you're incapacitated.
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BoProtection. Oh, what's that? You can't perform any physical activities on the mob for 10 seconds? What a shame, I need to get aggro. I've never had to use this one but I imagine that they player would get the hint after a time or two of this.
this is an effective tanking technique. mostly its used for squishies and healers. i'll even use this or bubble to drop my own aggro when im dps.
aggro adjustment is a mastered skill for each class, as is dps, healing, and dmg mit. if someone lacks in one of these skills its up to the rest of the party to step it up. if a healer cant keep up with a bosses dmg then another player needs to offheal. if you lack CC then another player need to OT. if a player cant seem to shake their own aggro, its up to the tank to step it up and grab it off them. if its just flat out ignorance, let the player know.
otherwise, your party members should NOT have to nerf themselves to accomodate a half-assed tank.
I tank by throwing blessing of protection on the MT as soon as he gets five sunders and then I taunt. :p
But seriously, I just MTed for Curator last night. One healer kept me up easily and by the end I had twice as much threat as the #2. I even got the tanking pants that drop, and also boots of elusion from trash right before.
After last night I was promoted to MT in the guild. Woot!
But seriously, I just MTed for Curator last night. One healer kept me up easily and by the end I had twice as much threat as the #2. I even got the tanking pants that drop, and also boots of elusion from trash right before.
After last night I was promoted to MT in the guild. Woot!
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