Aggro management issue with multi-mob groupsFollow

3-4 mobs and i imp tclap every cooldown. works like a charm.

Make sure your dps take the targets down in order. Then all you have to do is outaggro the healer on the other mobs. Spamming thunderclap does this well. Don't bother with demo shout as a threat generator. It's so little its not worth the global cooldown.

Pet Peeve: It's PROT (Protection), not PROC spec.

For tanking multiple mobs as Protection spec... well, honestly, don't worry about Sunder too much when you're facing that many mobs. I'll use something more like...

Bloodrage (on the pull), Thunderclap, Demoralizing Shout, Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Revenge, Sunder, Thunderclap, Shield Slam, Revenge, Thunderclap, Sunder, Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Revenge.

Assuming that all of them are up... for Multimob aggro, hit TClap every third attack (4s cooldown - Thunderclap, Ability, Ability, Thunderclap), and then prioritize Shield Slam, then Revenge, then Sunder if neither of the other abilities are available. Demoralizing Shout will cut the damage done by the mobs by quite a bit.

Even with only one healer, Thunderclap should be able to keep the mobs off them on anything but a Heroic instance, and even then you should be pretty much fine.

@Addermine/RPZip -> Revenge is something I wasn't using. Thanks for pointing that out.

@Scolar -> RPZip is right I should have written Prot instead of Proc.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Proc

@Everyone -> Thank you for the input I will start putting it to use tonight.

Proc and Prot have separate meanings and are not interchangeable.

Proc is an acronym for Programmed Random Occurance Chance.

Prot is the trunkated form of the word Protection.

I could be wrong here, but I'm fairly sure Tclap doesn't spread agro over X similar to your shouts. From everything I've seen in game, and from everything I've read, it's a set amount of threat on each mob. The numbers on said threat being: Thunderclap (Rank 7, talented): 282 talented +damage. Sure, revenge is a great talent. An AMAZING talent even, especially at the cost of two rage. Shield slam and revenge, along with HS, are probably my most used abilities. But if you're in a multi mob tanking situation, and you rely upon just revenge, shield slam, and sunder to hold agro...well, I hope your healer likes tanking. Not to mention your DPS, because while you're tabbing through all those targets like old school went, your DPS will be ripping off agro. Work Tclap into your rotations. Tanking is different now than it used to be. Adapt or die off.

fletus. I've talked with some of the tanks in game and yes they agree with you that the tbc has changed the t-clap to roughly 180+ hate/mob. however revenge is still 600+ hate/single mob. and shield bash is 480+ hate single mob as according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Aggro.

That's correct...and I'm aware of the threat values of said abilities. Which is why I said....they're my most used abilities while tanking. But in a situation where you're tanking 3-4 mobs, with the cooldowns of those abilities, and the fact that they only hit one target, it's only a matter of time before healing agro pulls. I still use revenge and shield slam every time they're up, but I work Tclap in after every third attack, and then stack revenge and shield slam on top of that, creating MORE threat for me. Thunderclap needs to be in multi-mob tanking rotations now...there's a reason why it's so much easier to hold agro with it now, and there's a reason Blizz gave it to us in Defensive Stance and adjusted it's threat values....because the old method of using our single target threat abilities in the new pulls simply wasn't cutting it. I know I remember the difficulty I used to have. Did I manage it? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Well, it was kinda like holding a gun to my head and waiting for it to go off...you can only enjoy that so much. Ask around...especially to healers. Do they feel safer now if they have a tank that's working Thunderclap into their rotations, and has warrior 5 man tanking gotten significantly more desireable since that buff? The answer will more than likely be a resounding YES.

I hate to use it as en example, because I don't feel it's a hard instance, but think of trying to single target threat shattered halls pulls. 5 targets at a time on that? If you're relying on revenge and shield slam, you're gonna have a lot of mobs running around...it's just fact. When you have 5 of those mobs on you and your healer has to drop a heal on you first thing since you're a punbout to get punched in the face by 5 elites at once, if you didn't drop a thunderclap and you don't have another one coming, that crit heal that they get will send 3 mobs straight at their face.

You have to use all of your tools when they're called for. Threat per rage isn't the only thing you have to worry about. Threat per second is also something you have to pay attention to, especially at the start of pulls, when your grip on things is still tenuous. Thunderclap will help you stabilize those pulls a lot more than revenge will, and should be priority there.

Thunderclap is 1.75 times the damage done in threat. Imp. Thunderclap hits for around 180 - so about 315 threat, on as many targets as are near (well... up to four). I hit it constantly in multimob tanking, and for good reason.

no kidding, and don't forget about feign death.

i used to get so ticked off in kara when hunters stole aggro, i very nearly made a macro that would make me dance with whoever stole aggro, then re-target teh mob.

but... they picked up their game pretty quick and i never got around to it.