I have been lurking a long time and finally took the time to register here.
The question I have is how do you quantify "good" dps. I use "totaldamage" addon which give me my numbers, but what do I compare it with to determine if I have a good or adequate amount of dps?
I am lvl 70 and am demon specced, currently have 880 bonus damage thanks in part to the "greatsword of horrid dreams."
The reason I ask is because I was thrown out of a pug running shadow lab the other day when the leader said my dps was not up to par. This was with a group that wiped repeatedly on the first boss :-O. I have been with groups that have had trouble in shadow lab before, but never been with a group (till yesterday) that could not make it past the first boss (I obviously dont think I was to blame for the trouble we had there).
BTW the very next day I ran Shadow lab with a group and we made it to the end without problem. I rolled for the "greatsword of horrid dreams" against a pally and won :-)
I am rushing to write this message cause I have to go off to work so sorry if I my thoughts are a little scattered.
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The guy was tard. Dmg meters don't account for all the other crap your doing: stopping runners, pulling mobs off healers, etc. What's more important? Making sure the encounter goes well or increasing the chances of a wipe cause you overnuked and pulled aggro? Anyone that goes purely by dmg meters deserves a swift kick in the ***.
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 6:44am by Prilin
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 6:44am by Prilin
ya, and if you have a mage in your group you are probably dropping a curse of elements on the targets to increase his DPS, same with a shadow priest (assuming he isn't healing) and curse of shadows. Then you got crowd control, stopping runners etc.
Sorry you had a bad time with that group, though since you are 70, I am sure this wasn't your first experience with a bad PUG.
To answer your question...well I don't know, I'm still a noob so I can't answer that.
Sorry you had a bad time with that group, though since you are 70, I am sure this wasn't your first experience with a bad PUG.
To answer your question...well I don't know, I'm still a noob so I can't answer that.
Yeah I was helping another lock in DM, most of the group bit lower than me, and I got on the 3rd place dps wise.
BUT... The priest guy lived through all wipes (didnt have to use SS once). The final few encounters were all on mage dpsing, priest healing and me casting CoElements and then taking care of adds. It worked nicely, but fear, CoR and banish didnt put me up very high on DD list.
Some people are simply idiots. Dont do PuGs /shrugs
on a fight where you don't have to CC, IMO a good dps at 70 is anything over 700 dps (most specs of most classes will have trouble beating this without imba gear or perfect gear for that build), self-buffed i can hold out at 900 dps for 6 minutes before OOM and OOH, raid buffed (including pots) +shammy+Spriest i'll average around 1.2k, probably break 1.5-1.6k with heroism up without even trying. in reality i could improve on my dps by changing my spec to be a pure dest raidng build (0/21/40)
as all the others have stated. unless you're in a raid and were selected purely for damage. @#$@ it. each class has it's own utility. play with the focus of clearing the dungeon/raid/encounter with minimum fuss and count dps later. even if you're in the raid for damage. instances are group events. which is more important, the total damge and survivability of the group or your individual damage?
well as a demon spec loxk i recommend maybe doing demonic sacrifice to increase your dmg, at lvl 70 you should have a good tank and healer to not need the minion. I am lvl 64 atm and before TBC i used Demonic Sacrifice in "end game" instances and raids to heal me or increase dmg. Its a talent that IMO not many people use....myabe i am dumb for using it but seems to work well, although generally i am 2nd in DPS meter, still ure leader sounds like a dumb ***
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well as a demon spec loxk i recommend maybe doing demonic sacrifice to increase your dmg, at lvl 70 you should have a good tank and healer to not need the minion
You wouldnt believe how many really bad tanks are there at 70. I had a warrior tanking last time that my felguard pulled aggro from almost each time..... guy started to yell at me to turn the cleave off... /rolleyes
And our healer would be dead 10 times if I didnt watch over her and send felguard/fear/banish every time she got aggro.
On the end boss our rogue ended tanking and dying and all he got was "watch your dps :p" from mighty warrior.
Yeah, you should have good tank at 70.
Outland is like level 1-60 all over again. People don't learn until end-game.
Saccing your pets is only really recommended in raids. If you're Demonology spec'd, having your Imp out allows for less aggro management while having your Succubus out increases your damage by 10%. Since saccing a Succy/Imp only gives +15% damage to either shadow or fire, keeping the Succy up and alive, in my opinion would be better. The Succubus can also seduce adds if need be.
Saccing your pets is only really recommended in raids. If you're Demonology spec'd, having your Imp out allows for less aggro management while having your Succubus out increases your damage by 10%. Since saccing a Succy/Imp only gives +15% damage to either shadow or fire, keeping the Succy up and alive, in my opinion would be better. The Succubus can also seduce adds if need be.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
If you have 880 spell damage you should have more problems pulling aggro than not doing enough DPS. No matter the spec with that kind of + damage you can drop a corruption and then just shadow bolt until the mob dies and pull a good amount of damage.
If you are demo, sending your pet (unless it's for CC)and then get into a good rotation of CoA, corruption and immolate and spamming shadow bolts you'll be doing great.
For Aff spec doing Corruption, UA, CoA, Immolate, siphon and then SB to death. On trash I don't bother with all the dots because by the time I apply them the mob is near dead(in a good party). In that case UA, corruption and SB.
I have never spec'd destro but at a guess I would say corruption (just because it's a 1 second cast), possibly CoA/CoElements, immolate, incinerate two or three times and then conflag.
If they expect you to Seduce one, fear another and still top the DPS charts then they are being inconsiderate.
I am 42/0/19 currently with +812 shadow damage and only fel armor on for buffs and I have some issues no matter what the tank. If the tank does not have KTM then it makes it much more difficult for a DD to operate effectively.
If you are demo, sending your pet (unless it's for CC)and then get into a good rotation of CoA, corruption and immolate and spamming shadow bolts you'll be doing great.
For Aff spec doing Corruption, UA, CoA, Immolate, siphon and then SB to death. On trash I don't bother with all the dots because by the time I apply them the mob is near dead(in a good party). In that case UA, corruption and SB.
I have never spec'd destro but at a guess I would say corruption (just because it's a 1 second cast), possibly CoA/CoElements, immolate, incinerate two or three times and then conflag.
If they expect you to Seduce one, fear another and still top the DPS charts then they are being inconsiderate.
I am 42/0/19 currently with +812 shadow damage and only fel armor on for buffs and I have some issues no matter what the tank. If the tank does not have KTM then it makes it much more difficult for a DD to operate effectively.
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