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#1 Apr 25 2007 at 10:35 AM Rating: Default
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I can make the pants, but at minimum it would cost me 1100-1200 to make. Thats a huge amount of gold to have tied up for me. If I'm going to make these and sell them, I want at least 600g profit, I ran shattered halls a bunch to get the pattern, I have to farm heroics to get nether drops, I have to tie up all my gold in the hope that these sell.

I'm a little nervous to make my first pair. This site says the median AH price is 2500 gold, but what if I cant sell these things over a month? I'm wondering, for you endgame people, would you buy these? I just want to see the reaction here. I've seen the hood listed @ 5000g on my server, no idea if it sold or not.

Be real, how much would you spend on these? If you really wanted them, would you buy the mats instead and look for a tailor with a nether? I can find people who will bring me the mats with my nether and pay 200 gold, but I dont want to do that. Each pair of pants I make, I want the profit to put a serious dent in my epic flying mount account. So I'm thinking of selling between 2000-2350 gold.
#2 Apr 25 2007 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Quite frankly, I think you are better off advertising that you can make them. Find a buyer and work out a deal that way. It would be a shame to farm all the mats and then have nobody buy it.
#3 Apr 25 2007 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Would you pay 2000 gold for a spellstrike piece?


Not a chance in hell, But it is likely I am not your target Audiance. I cannot immignie that there is a player who dose not know a tailor who would make them at item cost, saving some odd 500-600 gold, but I am sure they are out there, my guess is that they would be gold buyers(because most of the players I know that can amass 2000 in liquid cash can do so because they did not go arround spending money on stuff that they could have a freind craft.

I say to the KTurner route, say you can make it, set a fee, and let the buyer bring the mats.

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I have to tie up all my gold in the hope that these sell.

When your plan involves other players being Gouged for hundreds of gold i cannot think it is a good one. What we have here is close to the Enchanters paradox, you want to trun a proffit off of getting the pattern(hey it is not eazy to get i do not question that, but you did not take up the trade tailoring for the soul reason of sellign this item, you have NOT invested the costs of leveling this skill to 375 for the reason of selling this item, you have used the trade, and liely make a few pennies on it as well), and then you want to be payed to dollar for your time farming(but thats built in to the market value of the farmed items). If you can sell them Thats great, but from my PoV it looks like you are looking to rake somebody over the coals on this. Heck maybe they deserve it, I mean what kind of person that get to 70 and dose not have a few freinds that they helped allong the way that they can ask the freind to press a button and NOT charge 600 Gold? well apperently one loaded to the Gills with Gold.



Or I am just a tightwad.(the far more likely truth)
#4 Apr 25 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Not a chance in hell, But it is likely I am not your target Audiance. I cannot immignie that there is a player who dose not know a tailor who would make them at item cost, saving some odd 500-600 gold


Agreed.

#5 Apr 25 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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So I'm just curious what you would charge then. Lets say you had this pattern, heres the prices of stuff on my server. I wont buy them, but this is the price I could easily sell the mats for, so you tell me.

10 pieces spellcloth - average 57.5 gold = 575 gold
5 primal might - average 95 gold = 475 gold
1 primal nether - people average pay 200 gold

So in total assuming I'm not paying 65 gold a pop for spellcloth, thats 1250 gold. And of course, I'm farming the primals for the might transmutes, which I could sell piece by piece for closer to 115 gold each. We wont factor that in, but thats about 100 gold more, so we could put the price at 1350 gold.

Now factor in, I'm not a spellcloth tailor, I'm a shadoweave tailor. So theoretically I can only make 1 spellcloth every 4 days, if I did no trading (which will be hard to trade anyway, spellcloth is the most expensive cloth by nearly 15 gold, it will be fun trying to trade for that..), it would take 40 days to make this thing. Of course I will try and trade, so if all went *perfect* I could make 1 every ~10 days or so. But that relies on me trading primal mooncloth and shadowcloth for spellcloth, which is of course very difficult, because like I stated, spellcloth is close to 60g average, shadowcloth and primal mooncloth are like 45.

Anyway assuming it went perfect, this is your farming list:

11 primal fire
5 primal water
5 primal air
8 primal life
7 primal shadow
1 primal nether
216 netherweave cloth
72 arcane dust


So you farmed all that, in theory, and waited 10 days to make this piece. And of course you're taking more of a gamble on it selling, the AH fees would be quite high, or you're sitting in trade all day trying to get rid of this thing while people laugh in your face even if you give them the base materials price (no profit). This also assumes you have a buddy doing all your primal might transmutes free, at least once every 2 days to fit in that 10 day ideal window. And of course while farming these mats, you're still running very high level instances in the small hope of a nether drop, or you're running heroics to get a better chance, and of course hoping you win the roll.

Now lets get serious, putting this together if you farm the mats is at least a month. After all that work, I'm just wondering what you would list the thing at. Honestly, what would you charge? How much profit would you want after all that work?
#6 Apr 25 2007 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont agree that you are raking someone. In a sense these skills are used to make some profit. On my Main a long time ago I had engineering and had an epic shield pattern. I could sell it for 1600 gold. The mats if bought cost about 900 gold and farming then took forever. It is simply supply and demand if people are willing to pay then it isnt bad. Just remember that any profit is good. I would take one posters advice and find a buyer first so you dont waste too much crafting the item.
#7 Apr 25 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I cannot immignie that there is a player who dose not know a tailor who would make them at item cost, saving some odd 500-600 gold, but I am sure they are out there


My guilds pretty big, I'm the only tailor with this drop. If I was close with someone, who attended raids, was serious about progression, and who I ran the same instances/heroics with, I would give them my nether free assuming they provided mats. Its still 1000 gold+ to buy the stuff off the auction house.

If I want the hood, I dont have the pattern. I dont know anyone with the pattern. I'd have to farm/buy all the mats (1100g), then sit in trade all day spamming 'wtb spellstrike hood, my mats your nether +200g'. Will it work? I dont know. It relies on a tailor with the pattern sitting around, and also assuming he has a nether which isnt the easiest thing to aquire.

You make it sound like every tailor has this pattern, they are a 1/200 drop each in 2 seperate instances. My drop is arguably tougher, you have to down the last boss in shadow labs for the drop chance. At a 1/200 drop I doubt every player knows a 375 tailor who will make these free.
#8 Apr 25 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Now lets get serious, putting this together if you farm the mats is at least a month. After all that work, I'm just wondering what you would list the thing at. Honestly, what would you charge? How much profit would you want after all that work?

Personaly I level sills because it is a game, and i enjoy it, not for some ability to make Cash(but it is ok if thats why you did), if i want money i will farm mats since the cost of the items is defeined by the cost of mats, my money is in the mats, not in the tailor who pushes the Craft button. I have "Given" at least 50 Sageblades away(well the making it) and I ran Scholo over 200 times to get my falsk of supreem power recipe yet when it comes time to craft one i do not ask for a red cent to press a button, now if you wanted a flask and had no mats, i would sell you the mats at a fair market value(you see thats where you make your money, the essences did not cost you anyting, they are all profit)


Heck i am not saying you are wrong, you asked "Would I pay ...." the awnser is no, I play a MMORPG with players, and they remember that i was not a gold digging feind, when I "Need" something they tend to treat me the same way i treated them, like a freind not a customer. Do not take offence, it is not a matter of right vs wrong, it is just how diffrent players play the game. I play because it is fun, and I play with my freinds who feel the same way, I am sure that any memember of my guild would crack up at the concept of paying 600 gold to have a item crafted, yet I know there are plenty o players out there not in my situaion. they have spent the trip to 70 worshiping the mighty gold coin more than the enjoyment of the game or the social netowrking.

Hell Just ignore me if what i say is not what you want, thats OK But to me charging somebody the AH price for a mat, then asking them to pay again to have the item crafted just dose not seem right. If you do not feel the same way thats OK, nobody said that every person who plays WoW has to have the same opinion.

IT is ok to have diffrent opinions, mine just happens to be a Hippies opinion, Ya know with the sharing and the good will and all.
#9 Apr 25 2007 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
Advertise you can make them. get primal. charge 200 for primal. win
#10 Apr 25 2007 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Ya seriously if you want to make money farm all the mats and put them up on the AH get your 1k-1.5k from selling your mats. Advertise that you can make this (Nethers go from 50-100 on my server) Chances are the guy that you've been selling the mats to is now going to ask you to craft it. Sell him the nether than Bam! 1100-1600g profit not just 600g.
#11 Apr 25 2007 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ya seriously if you want to make money farm all the mats and put them up on the AH get your 1k-1.5k from selling your mats. Advertise that you can make this (Nethers go from 50-100 on my server) Chances are the guy that you've been selling the mats to is now going to ask you to craft it. Sell him the nether than Bam! 1100-1600g profit not just 600g.

Agreed. Advertise that you will make them for a fee (They supply the mats), and sell the mats at the AH. Negotiate the fee in advance.
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