I'm a frost mage, lvl 70, +380 or so spell damage, upgrading my gear continuously.
I'm in all blues now, but they're still a mix of low end lvl 70 instances and quest rewards.
My frostbolt crits regularly, but it only crits 2000 or so. Some of the crits are like 1950 and some are as high as 2100, I might've even seen a 2200 when under the +5% damage auras in Outland. Various guildies of mine, most of them below level 70, have been talking about 3000 damage crits. A guildy warrior said he got 3000 crits and higher and a hunter said he got 2600 crits.
I know my spell damage is lowish, but I've also heard about lower level mages critting 2500 and stuff on this forum. What am I doing wrong?
I'm certainly not too worried about this. I stay very high on damage charts, in BGs top 5, in my group, either #1 or #2 depending on how much work marking and CCing I'm doing and I crit often enough for my liking. My crit is only 12.5%, but then with a moonkin its 17.5%, with molten armor its 20.5%, with the frostbolt boost its 25.5% and with 5 winter's chill effects its 35.5% against bosses, against mobs, the ice allows me to crit very often as well. So I think I get plenty of crit.
Still, its a matter of pride for a mage to stay at the top of damage for everything. I would think that mages should have the highest crit since they're all about burst damage and you guys have mentioned high crits before, so what's missing?
About spec: I am deep frost, 5 into piercing ice, but nothing in any other tree. I suppose I could be missing the arcane +crit damage talent, but is that it? I'm happy with my spec certainly, just concerned about crit.
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QuandaryA wrote:
I know my spell damage is lowish, but I've also heard about lower level mages critting 2500 and stuff on this forum. What am I doing wrong?
Try a 40/0/21 build. By nature they crit harder, but tend not to crit as often.
Arcane builds crit harder...but IMO critting more often is alot better =p
I really think its just a matter now of +dam gear to get your crits up. I am a heavy frost AoE build (11/0/50) with almost +600 damage now and I believe my highest crit on a frostbolt is just under 2500. I have a mage friend who is AP/fire and he regularly crits Pyroblasts for 4500-5000.
In general, frost is not going to be your 'big numbers' mage spec. While we can certainly deal out some punishment, we're not the burst damage guys like AP or Fire, although over the long run, we'll make up for it with better mana efficiency .
In general, frost is not going to be your 'big numbers' mage spec. While we can certainly deal out some punishment, we're not the burst damage guys like AP or Fire, although over the long run, we'll make up for it with better mana efficiency .
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we'll make up for it with better mana efficiency
I have read some good math posts that argue that 10/48/3 is better mana efficiency than full frost, but you have to take that with some salt (a whole shaker perhaps?)
I would say that frost is all about control and kiting with much more survivability than fire.
Spell damage. At lvl 66 (all frost)I have something like 475 spell damage and with molten armor and ai buff crit sits around 17.8%. Havent seen frostbolt over 2300 yet but they hit close to it at times. Just seems to me that you may be lacking the damage gear. I am about half clad in greens and the rest some decent (far from uber) blues and I have more spell damage than what you posted here 4 lvls below you. Maybe get that 40 spell damage chant on wep or the increase chant on gloves and if nothing else just keep some +damage pots/wizard oils on while fighting and you should start to see better numbers.
As a side note: I have put some thought into this and have come to the conclusion that yes pyroblast hits really darn hard. My frostbolt does about half the damage of a pyro. The cast time of pyro is 6 sec I believe (not with pom). Frostbolt 2.5 sec cast(with improved) at 1/2 the damage of pryo when it crits, x 2 = close to the same damage. 5 sec cast time overall......Comprable damage in less time plus the swell slow effect, winters chill(more crit chance) and the frostbite chance (can we say shatter time).
As a side note: I have put some thought into this and have come to the conclusion that yes pyroblast hits really darn hard. My frostbolt does about half the damage of a pyro. The cast time of pyro is 6 sec I believe (not with pom). Frostbolt 2.5 sec cast(with improved) at 1/2 the damage of pryo when it crits, x 2 = close to the same damage. 5 sec cast time overall......Comprable damage in less time plus the swell slow effect, winters chill(more crit chance) and the frostbite chance (can we say shatter time).
QuandaryA wrote:
I'm a frost mage, lvl 70, +380 or so spell damage, upgrading my gear continuously.
I'm in all blues now, but they're still a mix of low end lvl 70 instances and quest rewards.
I'm in all blues now, but they're still a mix of low end lvl 70 instances and quest rewards.
+380 spell damage at level 70? That seems a bit odd... is that a typo? Especially if you have some blue items from instances.
I didn't run a single instance from level 60 to 70 and used all Outland quest rewards. Only have a couple of blues and the rest are all greens.
I'm sitting at +540 spell damage.
My crit is really low though, around 12%-ish with Molten Armor. So maybe that's why :P I'm grinding hard for all the gear I want though lol... it's a bit tough when I don't have time to run instances and play only 1 to 2 hrs a day hehe.
Anyway, I agree with the other replies... seems like you need to boost your +spell damage to get those big numbers. In between running instances for upgrades, you can:
- grind Aldor/Scryer rep for Inscriptions (shoulder enchants)
- grind Sha'tar rep for Glyph of Power (head enchant, +22 spell dmg and +14 spell hit)
- buy Spellthread "enchant" to legs (or do it yourself if you tailor and have the rep)
- buy/craft gem upgrades for your socketable gear
- get spell damage enchants:
Enchant Bracer - Spellpower (+15)
Enchant Gloves - Major Spellpower (+20)
Enchant Weapon - Major Spellpower (+40)
Note: If you are an enchanter yourself, and have the necessary skill, you can do Enchant Ring - Spellpower (+12)
Hope that helps :)
Eatingualive wrote:
As a side note: I have put some thought into this and have come to the conclusion that yes pyroblast hits really darn hard. My frostbolt does about half the damage of a pyro. The cast time of pyro is 6 sec I believe (not with pom). Frostbolt 2.5 sec cast(with improved) at 1/2 the damage of pryo when it crits, x 2 = close to the same damage. 5 sec cast time overall......Comprable damage in less time plus the swell slow effect, winters chill(more crit chance) and the frostbite chance (can we say shatter time).
Pyroblast isn't the main DPS spell of a fire mage. That's usually fireball, with a 3.0 cast time, ignites, hard hits and decent crits. But the big power of fire spells is that if someone puts up an Imp Scorch on big enemies, then we get 15% more damage on each hit with spells that already hit REALLY hard.
And that's not factoring in fights where mobs stay at less that 20% health for a decent amount of time(which I call "Golden Happy Fun Aggro Pull if I didn't use Invis Time") as deep fire mages(10/48/3 is the current preferred spec) do 20% more damage to mobs during that time.
Ok. Guess I'll shut up then till I get the backbone to leave the protection of frost and give the old hotside a chance.
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Aight thanks for replies. So my frost crit is low purely due to my spell damage more or less and frost mages don't crit high in general. If I got my spell damage up to a nice 600 or 700, thing would look nicer but I wonder if its worth it to trade off for stam and in. I have 450 stam and int right now unbuffed.
You'll never go back to frost, fire absolutely rules.
Get a few nice trinkets and enchant and you should see your crit damage up there. My FB can crit for as high has 3500 but most time its 2600 which I'm happy with. Under the right circumstances, I could deal 3500 FB crit and 2500 IL crit which is a happy #.
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