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#1 Apr 24 2007 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
Well i saw this ability one a screenie from the beta i think and i thought i was pretty cool. some people would argue it's imba but nobody falls for that in pvp i know from a hunters view.But it would largely increase our pve survival and makes us better in groups (switch to cat and play dead :P) then pop out and ress.

Please give me you're opinions and comments.
Sorry for the Grammar...
#2 Apr 24 2007 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
I like the sound of it, but it might be too imba.
#3 Apr 24 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
henryarmstrong wrote:
I like the sound of it, but it might be too imba.


Yeah think so , But why cant we be a little more imba in pve? We dont have massive outdoor CC's nor pets , Cant even kite.
#4 Apr 24 2007 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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It would be a fun ability, for sure. Useful in PvE, for the reasons you said.

Deadly in PvP too. I assume you know the utility of Feign Death, right? It isn't to trick the enemy usually; it's to distract them, and lay a trap while out of combat. The most annoying thing about Feign Death is when the enemy falls down faking, you lose him/her as your target. You target the nearest "living" enemy instead. It takes a valuable second to get back to the feigner, which is bad news.

It might be a little too overpowered though. I mean, Hunters would complain about it a lot. But yeah, it would be fun :)
#5 Apr 24 2007 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
Id say this ability would take us out of combat..which means we can restealth etc and start an fight all over again..which probably makes it too powerfull
#6 Apr 24 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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It all depends on the cooldown on which they would put it. Hunter's FD is on a 30 seconds CD. So put ours on a 2 minutes cooldown or something. They can do it 4 times for every once we do it. Sounds fair? Or heck, even on a 5 minutes CD.

Sure, the whole restealth -> Pounce -> Mangle -> Shred -> Shred would be quite the bad news for many, but meh. If it was on a 5 minutes CD, it'd be the same as a Rogue's Vanish.

However then it would just become too powerful anyway and make Rogues QQ some, and justifiably so, because they'd lose another class-specific tool. What's next, give us Druids a sap? Heh...

I can't think of a way to make it work and not create an imbalance right now.

EDIT: Yeah, this is the main reason why it'd be broken: Sure, Hunters can drop out of combat with FD, which is useless anymore anyway since traps can be laid in combat, but they cannot stealth. *That*, IMO, would make them very deadly. And we, Druids, can do just that. Drop out of combat and stealth. Come back at full energy to redefine the word "Pain".

So yeah, bad idea after all. :( We can already do something similar with a 5-points Maim and a bit of skills. And I'd most definitely prefer it if Druids remained the class that required the most player skill over in-game abilities to kick major asses. (That just might be my point of view, though)

Edited, Apr 24th 2007 12:13pm by Selverein
#7 Apr 24 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
i have an idea , As soon as you Unfeign you're stealth Cooldown resets ,
#8 Apr 24 2007 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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That would be ideal indeed, but then it'd become kinda useless. We don't need to drop from combat for any other reason than stealth. (We're not pre-2.0 Hunters) So if we have to wait to stealth... it's just semi useful. You'd have to be pretty lucky for no one to hit you before 10 seconds passed.
#9 Apr 24 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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We don't need to drop from combat for any other reason than stealth


Or to break combat in general..... so your raid is "About" to wipe but you play dead ,shake combat, reset the raid boss, rez your pally/shaman/priest Ta Daaaa

Edited, Apr 24th 2007 1:46pm by Capitolg
#10 Apr 24 2007 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
tbh use soulstone for that and save ur combat ress for an more suitable moment
#11 Apr 24 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Or to break combat in general..... so your raid is "About" to wipe but you play dead ,shake combat, reset the raid boss, rez your pally/shaman/priest Ta Daaaa


Aah, yes, sorry I was focused on the whole PvP aspect of the skill. But yes, that would indeed be nice. It just seem to me that we (not just Druids, but all players) have more and more anti-wipe measures.

-Battle Rez before going down. Rezzed target waits until everyone is dead and aggro reset.
-Shammy's Reincarnation.
-Pally's Divine Intervention.
-Warlock's Soul Stone.
-Any Rogue/Hunter with jumper cables. >_>
#12 Apr 24 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
i like Capitolgs idea
#13 Apr 24 2007 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Even without using it to stealth, play dead would be useful in PvP. One trick I used fairly often on my hunter was while in a large group pvp situation I'd FD when I got targetted to shake their targetting. With alot of other people around, it can be quite difficult to find your target again through the chaos. With cat form's speed, it would be quite easy to lose whoever is trying to target you.

You can't kill what you can't target, so being able drop targetting is actually quite powerful in skilled hands.

But have a way to completely drop combat would be very OP. Given that with an average opener I can take many players to 50%, letting me have 2 openers is effectively an "I win" button.
#14 Apr 24 2007 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
its kitty form not doggy form.
#15 Apr 25 2007 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
how bout it as a talent? feral, obviously. only kitys can use t so, feral talent. think that'll be nice. throw in a 3 min cd and it'll be cool. just hates rogues when they QQ
#16 Apr 25 2007 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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It might be interesting to put it as a talent. I know I'd rather put a point in that than Primal Tenacity which is nice but not exactly reliable.

I think it'd be a good idea if it only removed target like SirJac mentioned. Getting out of combat would be, like you said, quite OP and indeed essentially an "I win" button. I mean, I'd love to get back at those Locks and their cheesiness or those BM Huntards... but then the skill would be nerfed to Hell and back.

So, yeah, breaking targets would be pretty nice. Heck, even show as "dead" like Feign Death. I wonder if it would be possible to make the "drop out of combat" thing work only in PvE... Like, players will lose target and if they re-target you you'll appear as dead (like Hunter FD) but you'd still have to wait through the normal OoC cooldown before being able to re-stealth. If used well it could be pretty good.

Some Hunters almost fooled me a few times when using FD with a great timing... but then my DoT's would keep ticking which kinda gave them away. =/
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