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#1 Apr 23 2007 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
ok so whos a better end game tank a Feral druid or a Prot warrior if all gear is equivilent??? me and my friend are having an argument about it ur thaughts would be nice
#2 Apr 23 2007 at 4:53 PM Rating: Default
the prot warrior because the last patch owned the druid bear form so hard that druids cant tank now so thatt answers ur argument. Plus hes prot which even buffs up his tanking ability so no contest.
#3 Apr 23 2007 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
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even with similiar gear, the answer isn't clean cut. The mechanics of warrior and druid tanking are different enough that we excel at different things. Prot warriors are only clearly superior when it comes to tanking raid bosses, everything else it's roughly equal or in druid's favor.
#4 Apr 23 2007 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
Cosmir wrote:
the prot warrior because the last patch owned the druid bear form so hard that druids cant tank now so thatt answers ur argument. Plus hes prot which even buffs up his tanking ability so no contest.


QQ on the oboards please, adults are trying to converse intelligently here.

OP- As was said in your warrior version of this, the better tank is the one who knows what they're doing and isn't going afk and not telling someone.

They each have ups and downs and are used for different cases. This is not a pissing match, both classes exist for a reason.
#5 Apr 23 2007 at 7:23 PM Rating: Default
uhh, all things being equal, which can be implied from his post, protection warrior will always be better.
#6 Apr 23 2007 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
The problem is that all things are NEVER equal. You cannot have a druid and warrior with the same stats, because druids and warriors go for different stats.

Warriors are better at spell damage, warriors avoid more damage, but when they get hit they get hit for more. They also have a better panic button, but can only use it once in a fight.

Druids get hit more, but are reaching obscene levels of dodge mirroring warriors' total mitigation (Fighting the Prince in Kara I had almost 40% dodge buffed today). When we get hit it does less damage, but we have no way to avoid crushing blows (again comparison, I was getting CBlows for 5500 on the top end. A warrior in 55% reduction would be hit for 4600 by that. If it wasn't a crushing blow it would hit me for 3700.) Our panic button is worse, but can be burned every 3 minutes for 2500 life.

If you are in a melee-heavy fight where 2-3 crushing blows in a row won't kill you you may be better off with a druid, especially if it's a long fight for multiple regens. A magic damage fight, or one with an enrage or something begging for a shield wall, a warrior's clearly got advantages. Overall you're best off with the guy with better gear who knows what he's doing.
#7 Apr 23 2007 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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pretty much what sel said.

for magical fights or fights where you need a lot of avoidance, warriors tend to be superior. for fights where having a low average level of incoming damage is needed (see also: shaman add in SSC among countless others) druids are superior.

in other words....its exactly like it was pre-xpac. and this is good, for each tank has its own niche.
#8 Apr 25 2007 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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The most important thing when it comes to tanking is knowing what you are doing, whether you be Warrior or Druid -or for the hell of it Paladin-.

If you are a Warrior, you need to know exactly the situation that calls for Shield Wall, or if Druid when to back away a few yards -shift -innervate priest -shift. You may lose a lot of rage in shifting to innervate, but that can be considered expendable since the style of take the beating builds more rage quickly. Remember, most fights have a small window that the boss or other mob does a special move that can be exploited. Another Useful thing for tanking Druids, that is little appreciated among them, is Feral Charge; if the mage or priest pulls aggro, how ungodly useful is it to have an instant intercept that you do not need to change stances for.

Gear is highly important to a tank, no matter the class, but druids can get away with lower quality than a warrior in many cases. We also do more damage tanking, though that is balanced in other ways.

Personnally, I prefer Druid tanks since they understand healers better, since most of them-including myself- were forced into healing. I only blame the healer for the wipe in the case of him not paying attention, either by going afk unannounced or by not following me to the rift in Black Morass, instead farting around looting the last corpse.

I have not tanked any raid bosses yet, but being my guilds main tank, we will be starting Kara, probably by the end of the week, so...

Be back then
#9 Apr 25 2007 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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the last patch owned the druid bear form so hard that druids cant tank now so thatt answers ur argument.



Hmmm....that doesn't explain how I can easily tank bosses in Karazhan!?!

Seriously - yes druid damage mitigation is not quite as good as a Prot Warriors (although the buff to the Heavy Clefthoof Set next patch will certainly help). But I can hold agro much better than our guilds Prot Warrior. I have tried staying below him on the threat meter in the Moroes fight when we are both tanking (need 2 tanks on the boss) but even without the rage from getting hit, I easily overtake him and end up tanking the entire fight (except when gouged or blinded). Our healers have no problems keeping us up - it is add control & doing enough DPS to reduce the number of gouges that is our difficulty atm.


Overall, i'd say that the Prot Warrior comes out in front, but only by a slight margin. There will always be fights where one will be better than the other. In my guild, i'm considered the off-tank purely because if we only need one tank in a fight, then it's much better having me DPS than having th Prot Warrior DPS :)
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