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#1 Apr 22 2007 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
so i was roaming around the other day and i came across a 70 mage. i decided to kill said mage for glory and honor. sadly, i was defeated. i cloak of shadowed when he froze and started nuking, charged sprinted and started furiously hacking on him. he proceeded to kite me around, my movement was slowed and he could blink. anyone have any fun pvp suggestions for mages? thanks and enjoy ur wowz!
#2 Apr 23 2007 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
so u guys think mages are the pvp gods too?
#3 Apr 23 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Depends on the mage.

Frost mages are tough cookies and usually require all cooldowns. They can iceblock twice if Cold Snap is up.

Any other mage I dunno. I have found that a lot of mages are retarded and dont blink out of stuns so I generally open with CS for the CP if anything else.

What's your build? If you are combat I think you are out of luck, if you are Shadowstep, you can almost kill em in the opener. If you are mutilate you can keep em locked down and kill em pretty fast, but not as fast as sub.
#4 Apr 23 2007 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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If you are combat I think you are out of luck


You're not kidding.
I was questing in The Hinterlands last night, and I actually had to change quest locations because I was being ganked by a Frost Mage 5 LEVELS BELOW ME.

Didn't matter what cooldowns I burned, I would get a few hits in after Vanishing/Sprint out of a freeze, but that was it. Afterwards she'd just kite me around and laugh while I helplessy walked around. It was damn near embarrassing.

Moral: If you're combat specced and you happen to see an opposing Frost Mage. Turn around.
#5 Apr 23 2007 at 2:12 PM Rating: Default
Combat swords is the best build, i dont kno what u talking about.

And i won mages btw ,frost mages do however take a hard time to kill.
#6 Apr 24 2007 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
Firstly, combat swords is hardly the best build. Essentially, it's a question of style of play, and even then, combat specs have serious limitations during PvP.

To the OP, mages are tough nuts to crack. I switch between stunlock and mutilate builds, which are usually effective anti-caster weapons. Except mages. I just can't sit them down, it gets frustrating. If after the 11-second burst (CS-muti-KS-muti-3/4 point finisher) they're not down, they either blink to the other side of the room, or nova me in place and wait for back up. True, I'll have them below 10% health, with possibly a few doses of deadly poison or a rupture, so they're going down sometime soon. But that's no good to me if I'm running back to my corpse myself. You don't get no HKs when you're dead.

Though I have had a few success stories. As always, get him on your own terms, do not let him know you're there with a distract. Don't know what your build is, but if you're a fan of the stunlock, put him in one and keep him there. So CS-backstab/mutilate-KS-BS/M-blind, give yourself a few seconds, maybe restealth and repeat. He's probably spamming nova or blink, so timing is the thing. That really oughta do it. Haven't yet figured out my sub build, so have no insight there.
#7 Apr 24 2007 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
The leeson i learned is take them down as fast as you can if they are able to blink or Frostnova you....you are history.
For me as a sub build mages are not hard i open with Premeditation, SS, Ambush, KS, Vanish, Ambush again and then 95% are down.Sometimes you can do SS,Ambush,Kidney,Gouge then Restealth(Improved Gouge is your friend) then Ambush etc... Problem here is, a Sub Rogue is not really relieable till you get realy good Daggers and good Equip (15% AGI Bonus ).

If youre Mutilate or Combat let them NEVER out of Stun.

Edited, Apr 24th 2007 6:30pm by Thleilax
#8 Apr 24 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
actually when im in arena's mages arnt to tough for me but i am full sub so I just trinket shadowstep ambush and hit for close to 4k then i usually kidney shot and backstab by then they are usually dead. But if they get away i just vanish shadowstep ambush again
#9 Apr 24 2007 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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How can you tell not to let a mage out of a stunlock, when you can just do **** about him tapping the blink hotkey? Or the IceBlock?
Only thing u can really do is when you're sub - upon blink, vanish then ShS with CS/Ambush/Gouge (even that works at times, if the mage freaks out he burns iceblock for example).
#10 Apr 24 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to miss double vanish, double sprint, and double cold blood against mages after I respec :/
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#11 Apr 24 2007 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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your biggest weapon against them will be cloak of shadows. this will help you resist their ice locks n such for the brief amount of time you'll need to take down whatever's left of them.

usually for me this is the pattern:

- cheapshot
- mutilate
* they blink *
- cloak of shadows - sprint -
- gouge
-etc.
fight til the end.

if they ice lock you (forget the name) .. vanish out of it fast.


#12 Apr 24 2007 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
Crippling poison will be your best friend here, it effectively slows them to the same speed as you. Granted, you aren't gonna throw on different poisons everytime you encounter a new class, but use them to your advantage. The trick to killing mages is to do it fast and without interuption.
#13 Apr 25 2007 at 1:17 AM Rating: Default
Deadgye wrote:
I'm going to miss double vanish, double sprint, and double cold blood against mages after I respec :/


You try to be funny but you arent, sublety builds have 2 Vanishs xP and we also have 2 Sprints........an most of us have only 90sek Cooldown on blind, should i continue?

bye
#14 Apr 25 2007 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ya, frost mages are the bane of my existence. Even if I blow all my cooldowns to get out of their roots and slows(CloS, Vanish, Imp Sprint, they still have the ability to keep me kited, damn frustrating I tell ya.

Luckily I don't run into them solo very often.
#15 Apr 25 2007 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
Combat doesnt do that bad against most classes. Im full combat fists and i can still hold my own pretty well. I did pvp for along time with dagger, with the ole cb/prep and sure it was easier. But the plan is still to make the mage blink, and even is hes full frost, he has to burn a CD to drop another blink. Once hes blinked hes yours. Think about opening with a garrote, almost anything will forse him into blinking as most mages will spam that button the second they start gettin attacked. and opening with garrote leaves your cheap shot without diminishing returns if he does FN you and you need to vanish :)
#16 Apr 25 2007 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
pretty much as far as rogues against me i was a frost mage fire now if you backstab me or get the first blow im probably dead but if i see you PERCEPTION FTW your pretty much doomed the second you get sheeped combustion trinket pyroblast if i crit their goes about half of your health and from their its pretty much my win even if i dont crit. basicly to beat a mage you have to strike first if you do that im most likely dead.
#17 Apr 25 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Thleilax wrote:
Deadgye wrote:

I'm going to miss double vanish, double sprint, and double cold blood against mages after I respec :/



You try to be funny but you arent, sublety builds have 2 Vanishs xP and we also have 2 Sprints........an most of us have only 90sek Cooldown on blind, should i continue?

bye


He's saying he's going to miss Prep... should you continue what?

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Combat swords is the best build, i dont kno what u talking about.


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#18 Apr 25 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's an interesting idea:

- CS
- Mutilate/BS
- KS
- Mutilate/BS
- Blind
- Restealth
- Repeat

It's not the quickest way to kill them, but you should be able to keep them locked down for the entire fight.
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#19 Apr 25 2007 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Here's an interesting idea:

- CS
- Mutilate/BS
- KS
- Mutilate/BS
- Blind
- Restealth
- Repeat

It's not the quickest way to kill them, but you should be able to keep them locked down for the entire fight.


Blink destroys that.
#20 Apr 25 2007 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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See, I've never played a rogue on a PvP server, so the only time I encounter mages is in the Battlegrounds, and myself and a druid friend usually make short work of them.

Maybe as soon as they blink, Vanish and Shadowstep? By the time Blink is off CD, they should be dead.
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#21 Apr 25 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
See, I've never played a rogue on a PvP server, so the only time I encounter mages is in the Battlegrounds, and myself and a druid friend usually make short work of them.

Maybe as soon as they blink, Vanish and Shadowstep? By the time Blink is off CD, they should be dead.


Yep that works great if specced for it. Sub is definately the best clothie killer.
#22 Apr 25 2007 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Demea wrote:
See, I've never played a rogue on a PvP server, so the only time I encounter mages is in the Battlegrounds, and myself and a druid friend usually make short work of them.

Maybe as soon as they blink, Vanish and Shadowstep? By the time Blink is off CD, they should be dead.


Yep that works great if specced for it. Sub is definately the best clothie killer.

WTB Intercept for non-Subtlety rogues. Smiley: frown
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#23 Apr 25 2007 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
As does Ice Block(for the Blind).
#24 Apr 25 2007 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, another good one would be:(sub rogues especially)

Shadowstep > Ambush > Blind > Wait for energy > Restealth > Ambush

If you can shiv or proc a mind numbing, that would also help.

I want another try. Smiley: wink
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