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#1 Apr 22 2007 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm interested in hearing from hunters who have used either of these to see what they thought of it. What do you think about these two paths?

I started with Skinning/Leather, but I'm currently using a gun and considering swapping out my skills. I'm sure there are other leatherworkers in my guild who could make me armor, not so sure about engineers for guns.

Finally, is skinning/engineering an option? Obviously I would have to sell skins and buy metals etc., but since I haven't done mining yet I don't know how tedious it may be. Skinning, on the other hand, is easy and abundant.

Thanks for your input. And I did skim over a few pages before I posted this; hopefully I didn't miss a similar topic out there.
#2 Apr 22 2007 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
I think that Skinning and Mining would be alot more helpful for a Hunter, because i know the trinkets for Hunters from engen are good but if you are skinning/ leatherworking you can make your own full set of gear. But that is only my opion. See ya



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#3 Apr 22 2007 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Choose what you enjoy. I personally PvP a lot and enjoy the trinkets of Engineering, so I'm Engineering/Mining.

Hunter is one of those classes where your professions aren't eseential to the class; on my Hunter I've taken every profession to 300 but Blacksmithing.
#4 Apr 22 2007 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that Skinning and Mining would be alot more helpful for a Hunter, because i know the trinkets for Hunters from engen are good but if you are skinning/ leatherworking you can make your own full set of gear. But that is only my opion. See ya

That post made almost no sense, L2Type. As for the OPs question, personally, I took Leatherworking/Engineering. I used to have LW/Skinning but seeing the nice stuff in Engineering I switched to Engineering/Mining. Later, since I had never leveled Mining at all [80 skill]. So seeing the nice armor sets in LW [some of the BoP] I went for Engineering/LW. But for you... If you decide to drop LW for Engineering, I wouldn't drop Skinning for Mining. You already have Skinning up so high and really, you'll be making more money with skinning than mining, giving you don't have to go out of your way to gather ores with skinning and you'll be able to purchase to Engineering Skills up with Skinning.
#5 Apr 22 2007 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
I have never done leatherworking to a very high skill level but I do have mining and engineering on my hunter. The mining is awesome for making money with the gems and ore. Engineering on the other hand isn't as good as I would like it to be. I don't PvP all that much but I have still made a few trinkets here and there. The goblin jumper cables are loved in groups when they work which is quite frequent for me. Most trinkets that I have made though I really don't use unless I am just playing around with friends in duels and stuff. They just don't have much use in instances unless I'm missing something. Engineering is supposed to be getting a little love from blizzard with the next patch though so maybe that will change.
#6 Apr 22 2007 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the input, folks! I have to say, LW and Engineering would be a good combination... if this weren't my first character, and I had the cash to spend. After looking at the Engineering list again, I will probably stick with LW/Skinning because, aside from the guns, gun mods and jumper cables, the rest of it didn't appeal to me too much.

Then again... Feign Death + Jumper cables seems like a good raid combination, in case things go sour. Hmm.
#7 Apr 22 2007 at 11:28 PM Rating: Default
I'm leveling LW atm for the ebon netherscale set
#8 Apr 23 2007 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
I personally chose to Skinning/Leather, because skinning easy to get, making more money, and i have making my armor up to date.
but if u is a gun hunter engineering more usefull, because u can create a gun, ammo.
#9 Apr 23 2007 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
Crafting is still a money-sink. Complete, and total, money sink. You finally get good gear at the end of it, but you're going to lose about 2000-3000g in opportunity cost just levelling your LW. I am currently at 100g and LW 366. Still have 9 points to go.

But I hear you say "But just go farm!". Every single farming session I have is devoted to getting the same damned things over and over and over and getting skillups and selling the piece for maybe 20g. On my server, the mats sell for about three times as much as the actual crafted piece is (provided you find someone to actually buy it anyway). The leg enchants still sell, but honestly, they sell for about the same price as the mats. I don't think crafters in this game understand about opportunity cost.

The gear at the end of the day is nice, don't get me wrong, it's just a PITA to get there. Expect to lose a metric crapton of gold in the process.

#10 Apr 23 2007 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn’t recommend engineering to anyone unless they either like the toys or if they like blowing things up. Though one can make money with engineering, that’s not its strong point. It mostly exists simply because its fun. So if you don’t find the items engineers can make to be fun, there’s little point in pursuing it.

I would also suggest caution when it comes to skinning and engineering as a combination. Having to buy all your engineering supplies from the auction house would be a major pain in the backside. Even with the money you can make from skinning, the supplies would still be extremely costly. A single stack of copper bars costs 1 gold on my server and a friend at work can sell his very quickly on another server for 2 gold per stack. You’re not likely to get that kind of money for a stack of light leather, which is the skinning equivalent of copper. You can certainly give skinning/engineering a shot, but it’ll be a more difficult road to travel.
#11 Apr 23 2007 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
i have hunter on lvl 65 and eng/ on 330!
i love create bombs witch are useful in fights, a transporters who helps fast teleport to differend cities! or a small mechanicals pets who will help ya in fights, or guns and bullets! engineering is fun profession! but it's hard to make money on!
#12 Apr 23 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
To go into a bit more detail for each of the things for engineering I'll post one more time. In my opinion as far as engineering items more specifically go they are all still more for fun. The high level bombs can actually do more damage to you than the enemy. The transporters have been useful but I really don't go to everlook anymore and the costs to make the one to area 52 makes me just fly instead. The pets used to be nice but if I was forced to use the pet it would mean I was in a bit of trouble. The pets die quick if they are the target of the mobs frustration and if the pet is still alive at the end of the fight it will just go off and aggro something else making it a pain. I have never used any guns from engineering as quest rewards and drops have always seemed better. Making my own ammo wouldn't be too bad if I farmed the materials myself but it would be lengthy and cut into the money making portion of mining as well. Shoving that much adamantite into mobs just doesn't appeal to me. I sort of wish at this point that I had gone a different route but I can't complain about the money that mining brings in when I don't use the stuff I get. As I said in my previous post though engineering is supposed to be getting fixed so it may just be better to wait on any kind of decision and see what they do with it first.
#13 Apr 23 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn’t recommend engineering to anyone unless they either like the toys or if they like blowing things up. Though one can make money with engineering, that’s not its strong point. It mostly exists simply because its fun. So if you don’t find the items engineers can make to be fun, there’s little point in pursuing it.

I would also suggest caution when it comes to skinning and engineering as a combination. Having to buy all your engineering supplies from the auction house would be a major pain in the backside. Even with the money you can make from skinning, the supplies would still be extremely costly. A single stack of copper bars costs 1 gold on my server and a friend at work can sell his very quickly on another server for 2 gold per stack. You’re not likely to get that kind of money for a stack of light leather, which is the skinning equivalent of copper. You can certainly give skinning/engineering a shot, but it’ll be a more difficult road to travel

Have you actually ever tried Engineering/Skinning? I always bought my crafting materials and it was never a money problem. And this is my first character too. And engineering not useful? Heh, it saved me so many times I cannot count. The Deepdive Helmet helped me while fighting underwater [Zangermarsh]. The Gnomish Rocket Boots save me all the time in PvP. Not to mention the ton of damage bombs can do...

Edit: Forgot to say, bombs STUN! Stuns are one of the best things hunters can have as a tool. Even more so in PvP

Edited, Apr 23rd 2007 3:25pm by ArthasTheBetrayer
#14 Apr 23 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Have you actually ever tried Engineering/Skinning? I always bought my crafting materials and it was never a money problem. And this is my first character too. And engineering not useful? Heh, it saved me so many times I cannot count. The Deepdive Helmet helped me while fighting underwater [Zangermarsh]. The Gnomish Rocket Boots save me all the time in PvP. Not to mention the ton of damage bombs can do...

Edit: Forgot to say, bombs STUN! Stuns are one of the best things hunters can have as a tool. Even more so in PvP


No, I’ve not taken the combination of skinning and engineering. But I have level capped twelve characters, pre-expansion, with a wide variety of professions. So I am somewhat familiar with the subject. But there are a heck of a lot of variables. How much things sell for and how much they cost fluctuates a lot between servers. And each person’s play style can differ greatly. If that combination of professions works for you then that’s great. But from my experience it would not have worked very well for me. I still feel the easiest, though not the only, rout is to take the gathering profession that matches the production profession.

As for the usefulness of engineering, again it largely depends on play style. As a hunter I have absolutely no need for it. I don’t like AoE bombs. Unlike paladins, I have plenty of ranged attacks and I don’t PvP at all. I have no need of a combat pet, as my class already comes with one. I don’t need additional teleports. And my hydrocane (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=9452&locale=enUS;source=live) works perfectly well for underwater combat.

That having been said, I do like engineering. The pets are fun. I miss the mechanical yeti my alliance engineer can make. Toys like the shrink ray are a hoot. And while I don’t need an additional transportation device, it’s nice to have a backup. And the view from on high is quite nice when the device fails, at least for a moment before I plummet to my death. But for my play style, even on my human paladin, engineering is more of a fun profession than a useful one. Though I fully admit that your mileage may well vary.
#15 Apr 25 2007 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Crafting is still a money-sink. Complete, and total, money sink. You finally get good gear at the end of it, but you're going to lose about 2000-3000g in opportunity cost just levelling your LW. I am currently at 100g and LW 366. Still have 9 points to go.

But I hear you say "But just go farm!". Every single farming session I have is devoted to getting the same damned things over and over and over and getting skillups and selling the piece for maybe 20g. On my server, the mats sell for about three times as much as the actual crafted piece is (provided you find someone to actually buy it anyway). The leg enchants still sell, but honestly, they sell for about the same price as the mats. I don't think crafters in this game understand about opportunity cost.

The gear at the end of the day is nice, don't get me wrong, it's just a PITA to get there. Expect to lose a metric crapton of gold in the process.



I agree completely with what rappoccio said. I'm a lvl 52 Dwarven Hunter with lvl 300 skinning/ 274 LW Dragonscale specced. I was really excited when i took the DS path, expecting to finally earn some good money for all the time and effort (and money!) spent in the LW profession.

Now, a couple of weeks later, i am once again completely disillusioned by the effort/money ratio of LW...

the blue items i can now make take loads of mats to make, and neither hunters nor shamans are really interested in the not-so-great extra's they come with....

so in the end you will be able to create the Felstalker stuff (which is great!), but until then LW will be a gold devouring monster (or time devouring, if you also skin all of the mats yourself, and considering the drop rate of most of the scales, is personally dont recommend it...)
#16 Apr 25 2007 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I've got skinning and engineering, but I levelled to 60 with skinning and leatherworking.

Honestly I would go with skinning and one of mining/herbalism to at least 40. Get yourself lots of cash. In fact, I'd be tempted to stick with those until I had my epic ground mount.

Making armour for yourself can be nice, but the level cap on profession skills (5 x level) means you are always making armour that has as its level requirement, your level minus about 3. You could get any BoE gear earlier by farming the materials and having someone make it for you, or just buy it off the auction house if someone's selling it.

Engineering is in a shaky state now. It has its uses but not as much as it did at 60 when the PVP emphasis was on battlegrounds, rather than arenas.
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