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#1 Feb 04 2007 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, imagine you possess the following key-items for imbah procage:

[Ironfoe] and [Flurry Axe] as a DW with Windfury on both. And the trinket [Hand of Justice].

Now, do these procs actually trigger eachother? If yes, is it possible for you to keep hitting forever?

Edited, Feb 4th 2007 10:51am by Utarius
#2 Feb 04 2007 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Nope, they don't.
#3 Feb 04 2007 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok... how many hit can you get then? At the most? Can one windfury trigger from each of the extra hits from Ironfoe? So you get 8 hits? I was kinda hoping for a more detailed answer than "Nope, they don't." tbh... they don't in what extent? Can Hand of Justice trigger windfury but those procs can't trigger HoJ in return? It's the same question for all the items really, since they all give one or more extra hit.
#4 Feb 04 2007 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Now, do these procs actually trigger eachother? If yes, is it possible for you to keep hitting forever?


Was your question, so no, they dont proc off each other and they cant proc forever.

A HoJ or similar can proc WF. WF can't proc WF and a WF hit can't proc either HoJ or your Flurry Axe.
#5 Feb 04 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Aah ok, I'm gonna try to draw this up, have patience with me :)

You already said that a WF can't proc an item (I assumed you included Ironfoe there too). Does that go for the items too? Can a HoJ proc trigger an Ironfoe proc? Or is it only the initial blow that can trigger WF and item procs? Anyways:

Normal Hit -----> Windfury, HoJ, Ironfoe or Flurry Axe (either one or all at the same time? That would equal 6 hits (If you use your main-hand): 1 (normal hit)+ 2 (windfury hits)+ 1 (HoJ) + 2 (Ironfoe). 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Same goes for the off-hand but use exchange the last variable to "+ 1 (Flurry Axe)". Whereas it is now: 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 5.

So all in all the maximum numbers of procs (giving that you have maximum luck on both weapons and therefore proc all items and abilities.) is 11? 6 hits from main-hand and 5 from off-hand?

If you've got a formula or something don't hesitate to post it.

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Demichib wrote:
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Now, do these procs actually trigger eachother? If yes, is it possible for you to keep hitting forever?



Was your question, so no, they dont proc off each other and they cant proc forever.

A HoJ or similar can proc WF. WF can't proc WF and a WF hit can't proc either HoJ or your Flurry Axe.


Hm... if a HoJ can proc WF, and Ironfoe and Flurry Axe both can proc WF and HoJ... isn't that alot of procs? After rereading your post I'd like an explaination of which items and abilities that can proc what...

I'll give it another try myself:

Normal Hit: can proc WF, HoJ and the weapon ability. If then the HoJ proc can proc a WF... can the 2 extra swings from Ironfoe too? In that case it would look like this?:

Norm hit----HoJ-------Ironfoe
+ WF hits---+ WF hits--+ WF hits
-|-------------|-------------|
-|-------------|-------------|
-V------------V-------------V

(1 + 2) + (1 + 2) + (2 + 2 + 2) = 12

And if Ironfoe procs can proc BOTH WF and HoJ (one each) and THOSE HoJ procs can proc a WF each and (maybe) an Ironfoe each... (I know you said that they can't proc off eachother but the explaination was a bit of a blur...) Also, I had to use "-":s to make any sence... it's a bit messy tho.

Edited, Feb 4th 2007 2:29pm by Utarius
#6 Feb 04 2007 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem is that WF can only proc once every three seconds.
#7 Feb 04 2007 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Since when? I got 2 WF procs when I was spinning with [Ravager]...
#8 Feb 04 2007 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Since patch 2.0. With the introduction of DW, Blizz didn't want Shamans to be permanently WFing people to death, as other classes would be screaming WTFNERF by the time they were back at their graveyards.
#9 Feb 05 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh ok :) I should read the patchnotes better then ;)
#10 Feb 05 2007 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think it was even in the patch notes; it was one of those ninja nerfs they stuck in. The actual change is that WF cannot proc on the same rank twice in 3 secs, regardless of hand the buff is proccing on. That shouldn't be the case; you should be able to proc WF on your MH and OH seperately.

A workaround that some people have found on the oboards is to downrank your OH WF. Then you'll see normal proc rates on both hands.
#11 Feb 05 2007 at 9:01 AM Rating: Default
Windfury can proc more than once every three seconds. Downrank WF on offhand and you're good to go.
#12 Feb 05 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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legioncentral wrote:
Windfury can proc more than once every three seconds. Downrank WF on offhand and you're good to go.

I could have sworn that I just posted that. Smiley: frown
#13 Feb 05 2007 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Aah ok! cheers for the advise, will try it on my shaman <3
#14 Feb 05 2007 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
As of 2.0, Windfury doesn't proc.
#15 Feb 06 2007 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
fixed

and no all the procs on those are yellow dmg, and the only yellow dmg that procs WF is SS.... and very rarely at that
#16 Feb 06 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Well if you managed to collect all these items (pretty rare) you can probably proc alot of attacks but I don't see how it would be justified to collect all these rare items mainly the mace and trinket when they will still be pretty crappy at once your start upgrading in outland, there are green weapons with better dmg and dps and stats that will destroy ironfoe, and flurry axe will be a joke since offhand weapon's dmg is cut in half, 18 dps from an offhand is crap, now if you asked about Ironfoe and Felstriker and this was before expansion man that would have been sick with a hoj, but ya hard to grab those three either way, just grind up fast pick up weapons as you see fit from quests and dropped in group, dont worry about the old rare items cause they are only good to DE or vendor now.
#17 Feb 06 2007 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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HoJ actually scales with your gear so it's as good no matter what gear you have. The weaps will get out-dated tho. This was maily a twinkish gear really.
#18 Feb 11 2007 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
Theophany the Sly wrote:
A workaround that some people have found on the oboards is to downrank your OH WF. Then you'll see normal proc rates on both hands.


Does this work or is it hearsay?
#19 Feb 12 2007 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
Eidam wrote:
As of 2.0, Windfury doesn't proc.


That's actually somewhat true. There is currently a bug that I found where Windfury will never proc if you log on with it currently on your weapon. I haven't pinpointed it, but I did log on while a ghost and then fought 10 fights without a single proc (with WF being a 20%, 10 fights involving maybe 80 hits... there's about a .000017% chance of that occuring). Oddly enough, I didn't notice it at first, but after I saw that I was taking a long time and ended up with less health than normal, I realized that Windfury wasn't proc'ing and I started paying more attention.
#20 Feb 12 2007 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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HairyDiscordian wrote:
Theophany the Sly wrote:
A workaround that some people have found on the oboards is to downrank your OH WF. Then you'll see normal proc rates on both hands.


Does this work or is it hearsay?

Yes, if you use WF rank II on your off-hand and WF rank III on your main-hand both can proc the same 3 sec (At least that's what I got...).
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