Talents best for PVP WarriorFollow

I play a level 35 tauren warrior that has his points in fury talents as well. I do fine against other players my level. Have not had any problems vs. shaman,paladin or rogue yet. I would state that fury,imo, is probably going to be your best bet for pvp/dueling situations, remember a critical hit for a paladin, or rogue is hardly anything, but you swing back and critical them with an up-to-date blue two handed axe, and he's going to certianly feel it. No particular stategy involved, but remember with Fury talents you get your nice bonus's like enrage for when they do off hand hit you with their lesser damaging crits, and flurry which if you put your talents points in correctly you should at level 35 have your first level of, is a major advantage and tide turner when leveled up.

Also, Death wish, which you should also have at level 35, allows for 30 secs of un-fearable time, along with berserker rage, which pops as an instant for 10 secs, every min.

Which leaves your character with an instant 10 secs no fear or stun, that requires no rage to use, and Deathwish followed up that only takes 10 points of rage. Now if you leveled up the ability to gain extra rage from fury this should not be a problem, also that berserker rage you pop'd at the start of battle allows you to build up rage based on their initial attack.

So Fury will help you drastically vs. an enemy thats using fear as his/her mainstay.

As mentioned with the berserker stance and other bonus's you end up with around 11.something chance to land those crits. It seems small but they really turn the tide. Especially when you have flury leveled up and that activates, dealing faster damage with a large two handed weapon has advantages.

But i seem to have strayed a tad, you wanted to know how we do on defensive stance in pvp. I suggest for 1,5,25, or wherever your at gold, you try it out. My experience with defensive was this, i can wear heavy armor and weild two handed weapons, why on earth would i want a shield and sword and to pretend i was a paladin. We can certianly defend, but it's not our strength.

Our strength I believe lies in our ability to wear the best armor in the game, and still put out a modest amount of damage.

Conclusion to your battle experience: Hey, it's a war, if your faced with an even enemy, someones going to have to die are they not? That it was your turn vs a paladin and rogue does not mean that a warrior cannot overcome them the next time, just watch their strategy, or upgrade weapons and armor as needed.

Goodluck to you on your experimenting. Fury was right for me, perhaps Arms, or defensive will be just the thing you shine to.

Since you are level 35, your in luck when it comes to having a nice blue weapon. Upon leveling to 32 you can get the quest from the Islander, that you did Berserker stance with to get your weapon. The quest is from hell, and you need a friend or two at least level 40 to help you. Read up on it, i believe it's under the class quests, level 40, though you can obtain the weapon of your chosing at level 32 as stated.

The weapon is 35.5-7. And can be a two handed ~Axe,Sword,or Mace.

Bug the hell out of your friends to help you out with it, you can probably do the troll part which is what I did solo'ing it carefully for a few hours, but your friends are going to have to gather the Charms for the Exile elementals, they are level 39 and impossible at your level to kill. You will also need a herbalist friend that can gather the liferoot you need. and the end boss elemental is level 41 elite, but goes down fast for people around that level.

I hope this helps with your weapon situation, i too understand about saving up for the mount, im only at 23 gold now C.C;

against a rogue... i would equip your most damaging 2handed weapon... and use retaliation :) easy win since you do big hits everytime his small hits get to you....

but i have never fought a paladin since i'm on the horde side in a PvE server....

tough i have seen what i could do with defensive stance against someone....
i fought a 2handed weapon using guy.... and easily beat him using shield block... it's soo funny that you block about one out of two attacks that he makes :)

Warriors were still a viable pvp class until this last "Awsome Changes" patch, which nerf'd Mortal Strike yet again. Instead of +200% to base weapon dmg, you get crappy incriments of 85, 135, etc.

Main Issues with Warrior lvl50+:

Miss Rate.
Contrary to popular belief, agility does not affect your miss rate. Its static per class and 1h/2h/dual wield. Agility only affects your dodge, armor class, crit % and range power. Warrior miss rate is so **** poor at higher levels, against mobs your same level and lower, you'll hit 30%-50% miss rate often. Missing kills warrior, because if you miss, you get 0 rage, and with 0 rage, your dps goes down the tube. There are items you can get (ring, wrist, belt, weapons) that add +chance to hit, but with the exception of the 2h mace, 1h sword, getting +chance hit items forces you to take a major hit in gear that gives you vital +str +stam +ac.

Talents and Skills that are broken.
Now that Arms and majority of our damage talents/skills have been nerf'd, we're forced to try and spec Fury or Protection. Spec'n Fury is great for PVE, but in PVP, you still encounter the miss issue, as well as taking on more damage. The major downside to Fury and Bezerker stance, is the lack of skills that stance has to allow us to translate our rage into damage. We loose out on important abilities such as Overpower. In addition to Fury/Bezerker stance, most talents/skills are either broken, or not working as intended. Slam... broke. Bloodthrist, not working. Flurry, works for some, others not. Intercept doesnt work for some. Improved Cleave, waste of talent points. And so on. The only good talent tree for Warrior right now is Protection. However, protection spec'd Warriors at 50+ and on PVP servers, are still cannon fodder. We miss out on vital talents like Deep Wounds, weapon specializations, etc. Protection spec'd Warriors are good instance tanks, but are still worthless when it comes to any other area of the game.

Warrior class was most deffinetly overpowered in earlier beta. They needed a nerf. The nerfs since launch have been uncalled for though. Blizzard seems content on forcing all Warriors to spec Protection entirely, in order to be of any use. They've taken away our versatility in spec'n our warriors (one of the advertised reasons to play war on WoW website).

What they can do to fix Warrior?

1. Give us more a crap load more hit points. Warrior is supposed to take the most damage before being incapacitated. Wrong, can you say Paladin? Its sad knowing that at lvl60, you will have exactly 100 less hp than a lvl60 Warlock (base hp).

2. Fix our talents, skills, stances, and place them on par with other classes our level. No reason Rend (for example), Warrior's staple dot, at lvl60 should do slightly less damage than other class dots at lvl20. Replace one of our many uesless talents with a +chance to hit talent. We're masters of melee weapons, we shouldnt be missing half the time against even lvl mobs/players. Give us the choice back to spec our warrior to be either a tank, or melee dmg'r. Warrior should always be vulnerable to high dps range. Warrior should be heavily equipment and potion dependant. Do not nerf our damage, do not force us to spec 1 way, do not force us to be excusively instance tanks.

Enough ranting on my part. I'll see about posting a link to a "Warrior Issue" novel by a fellow pvp warrior. He elaborated on every aspect of Warrior class, with numbers, comparable stats, and all in readable understandable english. One of the best class reads I've had.

so is there any reason to be warrior over other classes

If you ignore all the parts in there where Dstone comes across as kinda assy, he's basicallyright ;p

Engineering won't make you much cash (dynamite sells back to merchants well, but that's not what I mean) but if you enjoy PVP / are on a PVP server, you won't regret it... Alchemy to some extent might be viable as well, albeit kind of bizarre and limitted... All in all though, warriors are intended on being completely dependant on what they are wearing and what they are carrying with them unlike most other classes... It's also completely essential for you to constantly be thinking about switching stances at opportune moments and not getting Tactical Mastery is something I can't even imagine...

IMO however, the dual wield accuracy nerf should be reevaluated considering how powerful many other classes are in relation and considering that the 2h miss rate is something like 8.5% without + chance to hit items and I assume anyway that the logic was to balance rage generation to be about the same with 2h or dual wield, which is far from the case in practice... The other thing that I'm not sure about is a friend parsed 1h + shield and found it to miss as often as dual wield, which I've been wondering is actually intended or some kind of weird bug of the dual wield miss% carrying over if you have anything equipped at all in offhand... But that's not what you were asking ;p

My warrior is at level 32, and I've done mostly tactical arms, and 5 talent points into fury, the one where it increases your critical chance by 5% if its 5/5. I've dueled rogues, and are quite easy to win over, since they dodge alot, and overpower skill puts them down real fast. Paladins are just not good when it comes to dueling a warrior, they can heal, stun, haven't found a way to beat them yet, unless I've done defensive mode, and I would be able to disarm them, and sheild bash to cancel out their healings. But, I am majoring in tactical arms, so I can have the greatest damage, and highest potential to strike a critical on my oppenents. My warrior has at least 40% critical chance, base is at 14.5%, 25% with my talent points into skill, and soon I will have 8% stun chance, since I'm gonna do mace specialization.