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#1 Nov 13 2004 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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*please note I dont play the beta*

I am wondering I heard that on the WoW forums on forums.worldofwarcraft.com that all races of hunters can now use guns not just dwarves. So im just wondering which one is the better of the two gun or bow?
#2 Nov 14 2004 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know which is better, but I use a gun because they are sure as hell cooler!
#3 Nov 14 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah i want to know if anyone can use guns and which one is better because if guns are better and anyone can use them im gonna be a night elf hunter sportin a dwarven boomstick
#4 Nov 14 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, as far as I know, all Hunters are able to use Guns. So can most melee classes (such as Warrior and Rogues) if I'm not mistaken. However, if you don't start with one (or the skill), you must train in Guns to be able to use them.
#5 Nov 16 2004 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah, you can learn just about any skill if you go to the town where you can learn that skill...

For guns you have to go to Iron Forge, the Dwarven town. There you can also learn one and two handed axes.

For one and two handed swords and x-bows you need to go to Stormwind, the human city; I am pretty sure you learn the spear in Stormwind too.

I started with the bow skill with my Nightelf, so not sure if that has to be learned in Darnasses. I did learn the gun skill, but have not used it much yet, more of a money issue than anything else, but that is about to change here soon I hope :)
#6 Nov 19 2004 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
the weapon trainer in darnassus does teach bow. also at the moment i think guns are better just for the fact that not many bows have been added for the time being. i still use a bow though at lvl 28 and dont really see myslef using a gun playing a NE anyway. i think it would look a lil wierd
#7 Nov 19 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Had a troll hunter using a Boomstick was really cool and did a bit more dmg then my bow I trained in the Guns skill at thunderbluff the Tauren home city

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#8 Nov 19 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
The only restrictions are that NE's can't learn Guns, and Gnomes can't learn Bows....As seems to be the common theme here, go for cool factor.
#9 Nov 19 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default
NE hunters can use guns.
#10 Nov 19 2004 at 4:55 PM Rating: Default
i have played the beta and yes night elves can use guns. but there is a small problem with guns. They look cool and are definatly for the bigger races that are slower and stronger. Guns do more damage but shoot slower. This can be an issue mainly for night elves, instead of shooting your bow and possibly killing the animal u might get half taht off and be forced to melee and night elves although not weak should avoid melee and stick with their bows.
#11 Nov 20 2004 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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One of the main reason I don't make a Tauren hunter is because they start w/ a gun. The only race I see using guns are Dwarves and Gnomes. There's just something about pulling the string back, releasing, watching the arrow soar towards the enemy. Walking around w/ the bow in your hand and the quiver on your back.

Bows all the way.

But, yeah there is no real advantage of bows vs guns except the availability. I never really noticed if there were better guns or bows available. Both bows and guns have similar DPS.

Edited, Sat Nov 20 01:39:23 2004 by SorrowFool

Edited, Sat Nov 20 01:39:56 2004 by SorrowFool
#12 Nov 21 2004 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
I was playing a hunter during the open beta and asked this very question of a good friend that had been in the beta since the beginning. His response was essentially:

There was a time not so long ago where guns owned bows. Recently the selection of bows has been improved. He looked into the high end selection and the guns are only slightly higher in DPS over bows. He noted also that a number of very good bows were available from quests that, in his opinion, were relatively easy.

So there you have it. Similar to so many others.. I cannot imagine playing a 'nature-based' (for lack of a better word) race using a gun. It will continue to be bow for my night elf hunter.

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#13 Nov 21 2004 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, bows all the way for me.
#14 Nov 21 2004 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
Tauren hunter starts with gun and it's not bad that they do. They are very much like 'native americans', and when they got introduced to black powder weapons, there where a lot of tribes that began using rifles over bows, and spears.

I think it's great. I loved using a gun at hip level (tauren syle) and blasting at the creatures from a distance, then pulling out my 2hnd weapon or my 2 weapons and going to town.

I was able to train for bows at ogrimar but I didn't want to since all I ever came across were guns.
#15 Nov 21 2004 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
I asked on the other forum and got no real answer, but according to the wow.com site, hunters and rogues use agi + str for damage, it says nothing at all about bows versus guns... does that mean gun damage is also determined by agi + str? If it is agi only, NE's would be better off with guns, whereas stronger races with less agi would be better off with bows as they could factor in str...

otoh, if it is just a straight (agi + str) issue than it wouldn't matter either way...
#16 Nov 22 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
The only main difference I have noticed to date is guns can be crafted, bows are loot only.
#17 Nov 22 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
Well, if you go by what the main site has available, ranged damage is only based on agility, while rogues and hunters base their melee damage on both agility and strength.

Info -> Basics -> Character Information

Look under the heading 'Other Information'

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#18 Dec 02 2004 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
One small thing i noticed with guns vs bows, is guns do more damage but can be a little slower reloading etc.. and bows are fast but less harming. It might be small but taken into consideration, or perhaps i am dillusional 8P
#19 Dec 03 2004 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
They are pretty even, it depends on what you are using and like really. There are both slow and fast guns, same with weak and strong bows. So far no gun has been able to top my bow DPS, so I've stayed with it. (Except if I found Timmy's Peashooter, which I haven't.)

Personally, I'm gonna try and skill both up (just like I skill dagger and 1hand axe) to keep up should I find an uber of whichever kind to use. Btw, this is a very wise idea, I ended up finding an epic ax, and I was plenty happy I kept it's skill up.
#20 Dec 04 2004 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
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i haven't started playing yet, but i'm gonna be a hunter and was wondering which trade skills to take up. so, also was wondering which is cheaper bullets or arrows?! in finding that out i'll be able to choose if i shall use a gun or a bow. i know with engineering you can make guns, bullets, and scopes.
#21 Dec 17 2004 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
asfar as i can tell arrows and bullets cost very little.
#22 Dec 18 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
just a quick note, I spell bad, hehe, now we got that out of the way.
I would sugest being an eng. and mining. why you ask, because as of now you cannot make bows in the game, as well as arrows. but you can make guns as well as bullets. this is a good thing as it seems a bit cheeper to make your gear vs, buying it. just an off note, I my self have knotested that the crossbow is the better weapon at 16 anyway. has the same speed as my bow but just has 20 dd, and have been consistently hitting 40-41, vs my bow that is 15-22, which have knotested that it will usly do the lower end of the weapon, which is around 37-38, once in a wile it will do a few 40 or 42, but not often. this in my case is not a good thing, with my gun, the pet usly holds argo, but with my crossbow, I gane argo and have to do a bit mala and still not do as much damg if my pet held argo. and pet is the same lvl, scrop, with Claw II with no re-cast time, does farly larg amount damg. hope this helps, play safe


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#23 Dec 24 2004 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I figure this. Dwarf Hunter Engineering / Mining w/ Two-Handed Axe & Gun = DAMAGE!

OK ^^ First off, Dwarfs are tied at 3rd highest in AGI so really using a gun would still produce a good amount of damge even if Ranged Attack is based off AGI only. Plus, you have to factor in a Dwarf's (Racial Trait) Gun Specialization (+5 Gun Skill). Then, you got Engineering / Mining which allows you to craft Scopes, Ammo, & Guns and with Mining as your Gathering Profession most of the materials you use will be at hand when needed for a lot less currency. At a higher Engineering level you can also craft some of the greatest guns in the game as well. The thing that I love the most though besides the helpful scopes is your ammo surplus. Not only do you craft ammo at a lower price but crafted ammo also gets a boost in DPS. For example, store bought Light Shot does .5 DPS while I believe crafted Light Shot does 1 - 1.5 DPS. Another example is that store bought Heavy Shot does 3.5 DPS while crafted Heavy Shot does 5 DPS I think. These may not be exact but I am positive you get an increase in crafted ammo than store bought ammo.
#24 Dec 24 2004 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
My personal opinion is that if you do engineering and are able to make your own crafted bullets, guns are immensely more powerful than bows. While the DPS on the weapon itself may be comparable, the overall DPS that you get from the combination of the weapon and ammo will always be higher with a gun.

I do think that blizzard needs to add in a system to create bows and arrows so that bows can compete with guns. I think that one of the best things about this game is the ability to give many different ways to have a great class. The talent tree is a great example of this. Unfortunately, right now the engineering skill simply makes guns to be a better weapon for all races and doesn't leave any comparable alternative.

BTW, when I created my troll hunter I wanted to use bows over guns. :(
#25 Dec 24 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Very true. I would love Blizzard to create a Profession simply based on Bows, Arrows, Staves, etc. Anything made with wood. Just like FFXI's Woodworking craft. Although, me playing a Dwarf Hunter Engineering/Mining I would never part without my Guns, Ammo, and Scopes which give great bonuses. That is my opinion on Bows and Guns. I just think a Gun is better suited for any Hunter/Race w/ Engineering b/c of the simple fact that your crafted equipment is most of the time better than store bought equipment. The only way I see a Bow being more powerful is if you were to find a really rare dropped bow that has tremendous stats. Saying this, I would only imagine this kind of drop would be from really high level mobs. So, don;t get your hopes up. . . Please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.

#26 Dec 28 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
Somebody needs to look into this this more than just the dps rating on the weapons or what you see commonly droped.

I have some data that might change everybodies mind about this. Im lvl 39 now and I have noticed thru out my whole lvling carrer that no gun or bow carries a certian characteristic (wow spelling is not my strong point) I.E. guns do more damage but shoot slower or vice versa.

It seems to me just about every other lvl they swich rolls, at lvl 35 you see the slow bow that does high damage and the fast gun that does low damage, then lvl 36 you see the fast bow and the slow gun.

even now in STV I did a quest that rewards a master hunters bow or a master hunters rifle they have exactly the same stats.


All that stated above is common sence this is the part that I dont know about, I dunno if its a bug, or a racial passive trait but pay attention.

Im a NE hunter I changed to a lvl 4 gun over my lvl 30 bow because it had more dps on it and for a change of pace. the bow was a 2.4 atspd with a damage of like 100-140 lets say (not real numbers because I cant remember but the bow was the lvl 30 long redwood bow and the rifle was some really awsome lvl 34 gun dont remember the name.

and the rilfe had like a 2.2 atspd and 103-143 damage so as you see the damage is just a bit higher on the rifle but the dps was higher due to the atspd. my skill at the time was 170 bow and 172 guns so my gun skill was actully 2 higher when i found this.

I compared all my stats the rifle had just a bit more dps on my character info screen, and 2 more ranged power due to the skill being higher, but under ranged attack the BOW WAS HIGHER even tho the atspd was slower and the damage is lower it still did more damage than the rifle.

I used both of them for about an hour and cosmos DPS calculator confirmed that i was doing about 75dps with my bow and 70 with the rifle even tho rilfe skill was better and its stats were better.

I dont know why this is i had base +110 agility at the time.

so my thoughts are.

1.) night elves have a extra bow damgage like drawfs have rifle but its just not listed or known about

2.) agl affects bows for than guns because i have obscene agl stats and i crit more with the bow i noticed

3.) its just a bug on the items because i failed to mention the bow had a +2 scope and the gun a +3 scope all the reason why the gun should have done more damage tho.
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