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#1 Aug 10 2012 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, thought I'd ask this because of a situation I had a bit ago. People who are on the beastmaster forums prolly know I've been leveling beastmaster lately. Well, I wanted a Sipahi Turban, which is a 10k item..WHEN it's on AH. Guess what?

..None on AH. So I groan, gather the mats and shout in Jueno. No answer. I was offering a 5k tip, considering the worth of the item that's quite generous. (30k if they hqed; the hq is 300k). I finally found someone in one of my shells to do the synth. Someone seemed to hint that they wanted like a 200k tip to do it..which is pretty stupid considering it's a stinking 10k item on AH.

So thought I'd ask my fellow crafters here since I'm a cook, too: What do you think is a permissible tip to offer for that kind of thing?
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#2 Aug 10 2012 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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When I craft something, I don't bother asking for a tip. People can pay me whatever they want.

If I have someone craft an item for me, I generally ignore the price of the item and think about how much I would be willing to pay, how much effort the crafter has to give. I think 20k-30k is what I'd typically tip if it was just some common, low tier piece of gear (like your turban). I'd probably give 50k if the crafter has to do extra work (craft an ingot, for example) and 100k+ if the item is a high demand piece of lv99 gear. If the person got a HQ, I usually give double what I intended originally.

The problem is that even though the piece of gear might only be worth 10k, that 10k is nothing, hardly an amount to make me (as a crafter) go through the hassle of finding you to craft the item. So I'd only tip an amount that would interest me if I were to pay me to craft the item for myself.
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#3 Aug 10 2012 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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5k doesn't seem like an insulting offer to start. Offering to do it for 200k sounds like a troll.

The only reason I could see the tip amount being a sticking point is if the HQ was worth a lot of gil and highly sought after. In the case of Abtal Turban, there really isn't a market for it. So even if the last sale on the AH was for 300k, it doesn't mean a crafter would be able to find a buyer willing to pay that amount.

If I was in your position, and a crafter offered to do the job but we got hung up on how to deal with the HQ, I would probably just tell them they could keep the HQ provided that they could provide me an NQ in it's place quickly.
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#4 Aug 14 2012 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Cost of materials plus 15% is how I operated.
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#5 Aug 14 2012 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Cost of materials plus 15% is how I operated.

Is that if you were responsible for gathering the materials yourself? i.e. would you only ask for the 15% if the client provided all the mats?
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#6 Aug 17 2012 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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I forgot about this for a minute. I'd have FFXIAH open pretty much all times. If all items were provided, I'd just calculate how much the materials cost together, then multiply by 15% and charge that. So if something cost 150,000 in materials, I'd charge 22,500. If the person was missing an item, if I had it I'd charge for the cost of that item as well as the 15%. So with our 150,000 item, they're missing an item that was 7,500. So I'd want to get 30,000.

It's probably a bit complicated, but I came up with it in a fit of boredom and kind of stuck with it.
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#7 Aug 19 2012 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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Well, me, I don't think I made it clear when I made the topic, but I try to offer a 10% tip on the AH purchase price of a item I want synthed when I have to ask a stranger. (I always have full mats b/c I have had friends who forget some; just so people know, I don't mind if it's just flour but if it's more than that I make sure people know I'll erm..snitch a stack to sell of what I'm making for person for a annoyance fee if it's more than flour; and I never ask for tips other than that annoyance fee) I'll go up to 50% of the price if people are being asses about it..I wasn't sure if that was enough anymore considering the ass who wanted more (the impression I got was he wanted 200k because of the subcrafts involved).

I was wondering if that's enough or not, tho seems like everyone likes to offer dif tips when you have to shout for a crafter. ^^

Edited, Aug 19th 2012 4:27pm by maryadavies
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#8 Aug 19 2012 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
I forgot about this for a minute. I'd have FFXIAH open pretty much all times. If all items were provided, I'd just calculate how much the materials cost together, then multiply by 15% and charge that. So if something cost 150,000 in materials, I'd charge 22,500. If the person was missing an item, if I had it I'd charge for the cost of that item as well as the 15%. So with our 150,000 item, they're missing an item that was 7,500. So I'd want to get 30,000.

It's probably a bit complicated, but I came up with it in a fit of boredom and kind of stuck with it.

That makes sense.

If you were actually charging for the cost of materials even when they were provided, I thought maybe you had come up with the policy just to discourage requests. However, I could also see it being about covering high value Tier 1 HQ synths. For example, if we went with your hypothetical synth above, and you charged 172,500 per attempt, it would still come out to being a fair arrangement if the HQ was worth 1.8 mil and you expected to pop out an HQ roughly 10% of the time.
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#9 Aug 23 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I found a shout in port jeuno from a PLD shouting for a crafting item for his Aegis shield upgrade item.
As it turned out I think it was something daft like ancient lumber or something as they were sold out on AH.
So I HQ'd it for him and then traded the items to him.
He asked me how much I wanted for the tip and I told him to give me what he thought the item was worth.
In the end he offered me nothing and said "TYVM" before abrubtly dropping party and ran away.

I don't expect to be tipped but I found that guy to be very rude because I stopped what I was doing to help him.
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#10 Aug 24 2012 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Janesah; that's not only rude, but dishonest. If that guy had asked me to make something, I wouldn't of made something for him again imo.

In my mind, honesty is the best policy.
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#11 Aug 26 2012 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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I usually do a bare minimum of 10K plus 10% ish rounded up. I'm not just paying for their time, I'm paying for the expense and time it took them to get crafting up that high to begin with.

So I'd give 20K for crafting me an item valued at 100K, but 12K or so for one valued at 15K, assuming I supplied all the materials.

I'll also discuss HQs on extremely valuable items ahead of time. Like with my Sha'ir Manteel back in the day; the crafter who made it agreed that we'd do a sell and split evenly in the off chance he HQ'd it. At the time that was valued at 20 mil. He'd get 10 mil from the deal, my linkshell would get 10 mil out of the deal (with which they'd just buy me a NQ manteel which was valued at 3-4 mil at the time), and everyone would be happy. It NQ'd, it turned out, but we had a reasonably fair game plan before that occurred.


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#12 Aug 30 2012 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I agree with most of what has been said here. I think 10k is a reasonable minimum tip to offer (if you're going to offer one) for anything that requires a veteran rank (or close) crafter, with a 15% tip being a good rule of thumb for higher-valued items. I would also say that the fair market price of materials is far more relevant than the AH price of the finished item as a basis for the tip, even if the materials are all supplied by the person making the request. I also agree with the sentiment that the disposition of any highly-valued HQ results (or expensive breaks) needs to be settled before starting the craft.

As a crafter, however, I don't typically ask for a fee in advance for 1-off, low-demand items where the buy provides the materials. All I really insist upon is that people have everything ready to go when they shout instead of making me sit around while they go try to round up materials, play the AH, etc. On the other hand, if you want me to sit and synth a dozen tier1 HQ attempts, that will cost something up front. But overall, I've found people to be fairly generous with tips, sometimes for in excess of what I would ever ask for, so I'm happy to usually leave that up to the buyer.

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#13 Aug 30 2012 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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But overall, I've found people to be fairly generous with tips, sometimes for in excess of what I would ever ask for, so I'm happy to usually leave that up to the buyer.
This has always surprised me. Sure, sometimes I'll get the guy who won't show me a single gil, but typically, I'll be handed 50k just to make something that's not very special and it only goes up from there.
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#14 Aug 30 2012 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
I cook, so if someone gets all the mats (because I don't have over stock, it is either they farm/buy or go with out) I never charge. If they wish to give me gil for my time, I never say no. Just like I tip a Tele-er. Some do/wont accept the trade, others take the 5-10+k.
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