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#1 Sep 12 2011 at 4:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm off work at the moment through illness and find myself with a lot of spare time on my hands so I decided I wanted to level a craft that was nice and relaxing so I settled on fishing, ultimately I'd like to get it to 100.

But here's the problem I'm having. Between the annoying fishing fatigue limit and an unbelievably low rate on skill-ups so far (I'm pretty sure SE cursed my fishing skill-ups) I find I've only managed to raise my fishing skill level from 14 to 17 after a week. I haven't managed to make a full skill level on any given day. It's always been 0.something total.

I've read a lot of guides and have been following them as much as possible. I've been fishing Quus in Port Windurst all day todaytrying to get from 17 to 19. I always use the 4 armour pieces to get the extra +4 fishing skill. After a few minutes I'd sussed which bites were Quus so have been fishing them exclusively using a Halcyon Rod and Sibiki Rig bait as per the guide I'm currently using. Yet after hitting the fatigue limit I still only have a combined total skillup of 0.3 points today. That seems obscenely low to me?

Is fishing really this difficult and long-winded to skill-up? I'm at the point now where I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong...I have friends that tell me they managed to make 100 fishing a lot quicker than I'm doing it so it's making me wonder if I'm missing something?
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#2 Sep 12 2011 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hard is not quite the right word. Fishing skill ups are slow and random. It is one of the few old aspects of this game that still require a significant commitment to earn. Fortunately though, fishing skill is (almost) pointless and it is not recommend that you focus on skilling up fishing because it will drive you crazy. Instead, try to obtain a Lu Shang's fishing rod while skilling up or just find fish that are profitable and target them.

Also, fishing skill isn't completely pointless- it's easier at lv100 than lv0, but with the right fishing rod, you can catch almost anything at any level.
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#3 Sep 12 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've read a lot of guides and have been following them as much as possible. I've been fishing Quus in Port Windurst all day todaytrying to get from 17 to 19. I always use the 4 armour pieces to get the extra +4 fishing skill. After a few minutes I'd sussed which bites were Quus so have been fishing them exclusively using a Halcyon Rod and Sibiki Rig bait as per the guide I'm currently using. Yet after hitting the fatigue limit I still only have a combined total skillup of 0.3 points today. That seems obscenely low to me?

1. Fishing is quite different from the other crafts. You don't necessarily want to be targetting fish that are within 5 levels of your skill. You can easily get skill ups from a fish 20+ levels above your skill, provided that you can actually reel them in. So you might want to try a different guide. I know that there was at least one that provided a path that would have you target skill up fish while also bringing in Moat Carp, which you can use toward Lu Shangs.

2. Don't use a rig. You can catch multiple fish at once. And my guess is that will cause you to reach your fatigue that much faster. I've never read about people getting multiple skill ups from a rig catching multiple fish.

3. The +4 fishing skill from fishing armor isn't as important as it used to be. Before fishing was overhauled into the interactive reeling experience it is now, recast time used to decrease as your fishing skill increased. So people would wear the fishing armor to reduce the wait between fishing attempts. Now, the recast time is only affected by your fatigue level. You can still wear the armor if you like how it looks. You could also choose to get rid of it, to free up 4 more slots of inventory space.
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#4 Sep 12 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hi-

I've been a avid FFXI fisherman since the PC release in 03. Much has changed over the years with updates to almost all aspects of fishing. Everything from casting, reeling, catching the fish, the equipment and the addition of Guild items.

One of the mainstays, with regard to skilling, is the moon phase and level appropriate fish for your skill. In certain fishing situations, the time of day is most important. The bite rate for certain fish is definitely tied to the clock. Weather conditions also play a part, too.

Maybe one thing I can point out to you about your fishing habits and lack of skill ups is where you are choosing to fish. I would suggest moving into a outdoor environment with your Halcyon Rod-(the most broken item in the game)- and your Sabiki Rig. Go for a nice relaxing boat ride between Selbina and Mhaura. The Halcyon and Sabiki will net you more skillable fish than the Port Windurst location. While fishing on the ferry, you will be able to catch Bastore Sardine(10); Quus(19); the profitable Nebimonite(27)-Shrimp Lure; Gugru Tuna(40ish)-will break a Halcyon; the profitable Cone Calamary(48)- catch up to 3 at a time with a Sabiki Rig - used in black ink recipe; the miserable-to-reel-in-miniature-Ryugu-Titan-like Bluetail(55)-using a minnow; Noble Lady(66)-Shrimp Lure and Sinking Minnow.

Or if you choose to stay closer to home, try the East Sarutabaruta coastline.

Here you'll be able to catch
Bastore Sardine-10
Quus-19
Ogre Eel-35
Gold Lobster-40ishes
Those bloody Bluetail-55
Bastore Bream-80ish something. These WILL break the line on a Halcyon and you'll lose your lure.

Grab your tacklebox, your fishing poles, your favourite fishing Hat and just go fish. The skill ups will come in time and before you know it , you'll be rich and level 100!

Always seem to get better skill ups while fishing outside than fishing in an indoor area.
#5 Sep 12 2011 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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Many thanks for the answers. I'll not give up just yet!

Infact I decided to commit myself to getting myself to 100 by throwing 3.5m at a Lu Shangs. Abyssea overloaded me with a fair bit of gil I haven't been spending so I thought I'd put some of it to good use. I also don't have the patience to fish up 10,000 moat carp (although I'd already turned in nearly 1,300 to date but it's an acceptable loss, besides I can always turn in another ~8,700 and sell my current Lu Shangs to get my quested one!)

I'm thinking +4 inventory space will help so I'll lose the fishing gear if it doesn't make that much of a difference.

I'll also transfer myself to the ferry, see if I can get lucky!

Thanks for all the answers, they've all been helpful and have turned my mood around from negative to positive. I'll be back at it again tomorrow!
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#6 Sep 21 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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It is probably a little late to answer, but I would recommend getting a bunch of crayfish balls (they stack to 99 now) and targeting nebimonites on the ferry. Crayfish balls will also attract tuna and noble ladies, but you can tell those because they are much harder to reel in. Nebs are easy and enough higher than you that most will be a potential skillup.

The problem with fishing is that the fish have a level range, and to be eligible for a skillup, you have to catch a fish at a higher level than your fishing skill. As you approach the cap on a fish, this gets to be harder and harder to do. Nebs are good because even as you are approaching the level, you are making gil. They sell fast and well and will help to start paying for that lu shang's (not that you need a lu to fish for them).

I also recommend that you level cooking to go with your fishing. That way, you can make your own bait, and process your own fish. You can make a ton of gil if you fish everything that goes into tavnazian tacos and then make your own tacos.
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#7 Sep 30 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm well ahead of the whole 'cooking is handy for fishermen' game. I'm currently collecting a bunch of dragon meat in preparation for the final push to 100. As of this morning I'm 97.4 and counting!

Late answers are better than no answers, I'll be hitting the ferry more often than I currently am! Thanks!
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#8 Oct 05 2011 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your cooking is about half a level higher than mine. Until recently, mine sat at 95 for 7 years.

If you are on the ferry, I would recommend going as smn. If you keep Carby out, you don't have to worry about random aggros from Sea Horror interrupting your fishing. (I occasionally pull in a monster just so Carby doesn't get too bored.)

Actually, I pretty much recommend always fishing as smn with Carby out. A couple of times now in SSG, someone has zoned an NM from behind one of the doors, and I have been aggroed on their return. The NMs weren't difficult to dispatch, but one hates to be stopped in the middle of pulling in a grimmonite.
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#9 Dec 31 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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The absolute best advice I can give on leveling fishing is to get some of these: Pelican Ring. It's the reward from a fishing contest held once a month (IIRC). Get a friend to help you, or even pay someone to get you a good fish. Sometimes, getting some help is about the only way to go, as some of the fish can be tough to catch at lower levels. Don't overestimate the quality of your submission, if it's an easy contest, there will be lots of compitition. Use this site to gauge how good your fish is: http://www.finalfishing.com. Even if you have to pay someone 100k to find you a good fish, it's worth it (and I've made my share of gil doing just that).

It's been a long time since I leveled fishing, so sorry for the cloudy memory. I believe when I got around level 20, I spent 90% of my time after that on the ferries. Decent gil, always something in the "sweet spot" for leveling, you meet lots of new people, and of course,PIRATES!

And yeah, you'll want to get a Lu Shang's if you can afford it.
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Were there any changes or additions to fishing with SoA? I thought I remembered hearing about something, but can't locate any information now.
#11 Mar 31 2013 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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SE has fishing adjustments planned, they have not been added yet and will most likely be next update.
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