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#1 Aug 12 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goldsmithing .. 1-60 Post Abyssea ~~ by Elizara

Ouch... Anyway, as everyone knows, crafting has changed drastically since abyssea came out. Some mats are now easier to get, and some are harder to get. Which can throw a serious monkey wrench in goldsmithing, since not a lot of people are mining now. And since no one has thought to update the current guides..I realized I'd have to write one.

As this is a guide to 60 (since I'm doing this for a woodworking sub for a mule), I won't be looking much beyond that.

Pre-Notes:

I think a lot of people are attracted to this simply 'cuz well. They go to the jewelery store and see the guy working behind the counter with gold and silver. (My dad was a jeweler btw in RL!). It may seem glamorous but even in RL, it's actually expensive to do. (Also I can tell you, it's kinda not as glamorous as it sounds in rl either.) So make sure you have a regular source of income in game before you try it, especially if you don't mine. (Me, it's doing dyn with a friend, aby drops, and cooking (I'm a 100 cook on my main. And..I used to mine when it was profitable but it's really not anymore. At least on Quetz.) I'm not going to lie to anyone; you're prolly going to end up burning lots of gil to get to 60. No lie; you might make some small profits early on, but they'll get eaten up 20, 30 fold later. It may sound like I'm being sour here but it's the truth.

DESYNTHING;

This can save your ass many a time. I didn't think of this before Skif left Sandy, but I'd wholeheartedly suggest you set your mh up for desynthing. If it wasn't for this, I would of never got past some parts; however since his mh wasn't set up for desynthing, I proly broke more than I should of. Save yourself the trouble/pain and set up the mh that way.

Crystal Farming/Farming in General;
Now a days crystals are expensive. If you got the time, you might want to make a trip to sky and slap eles around. Oh yes tho, there are times when time is more valuable than gil (I've had those times with my 3 year old niece around when I keep getting aggro); that's when you buy crystals/mats. So make sure you take that into consideration always when farming anything, including crystals.

References in case people are wondering:
http://ringthree.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-break-0-60-series-goldsmithing.html
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Goldsmithing_Guide_by_Sarchar
Wiki in general
Also thanks to Aarahs of Quetz/Midgard; he told me the most economical way to go from 57 to 60.

Enough beating around the bush. Time to get into the meat of this...Just a warning, never follow any guide blind. Quetz's economy is prolly not the same as your server's economy; also server economies are always changing. So check wiki's recipe list and tailor to what works for you.
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1-3 Copper Ingot (4 copper ore, fire crystal) Get the ore at the smithing guild or the goldsmithing guild, whatever's cheaper. Save the ingots for the next synth.

3-7 Copper Hairpin(1 copper ingot, wind crystal) Might sell well on the AH, might not. Depends on how many newbies there are.

7-9 Brass Ingot(3 copper ore, 1 zinc) Try to catch the zinc on ah at a lower price point, 2k or less. Unfortunately this may get pricy because zinc gets pricy for a low level item. Save the ingots for the next synth.

9-11 Brass Sheet (1 brass ingot, fire crystal); Save for the next synth!

11-13 Brass Scales (1 brass sheet, wind crystal) Doesn't sell on AH, just npc dump this.

13-16 Brass Hairpin (Brass Ingot, fire crystal) Might sell a few of those to newbies, but you are more likely to end up npc dumping these.

16-18 Silver ingots (4 silver beastcoins, fire crystal) – Save for a future synth, tho if you sell a few, they're profitable.

18-20 Silver Ingots(4 silver ore, fire crystal) Again, save'em.

20-22 Silver Sheet (1 silver ingot, fire crystal) Serious npc dump here.

22-27 Silver Hairpin (1 silver ingot, wind crystal) Can desynth these to save mats, but always check the ah before you do that to see how well these sell. You might make some money back.

27-31 Hirashin (1 copper ingot, 1 silver ingot) Keep your costs to the minimum here. If you can, you'll break even or profit, tho this ninja tool takes forever to sell unless you toolbag and shout-sell in Port Jueno.

31-33 Silver Chain (2 Silver ingots, earth crystal); I npced these, but make sure you check the ah to see how well this sells.

33-38 Myrthil Ingot(4 myrthil beastcoins, fire crystal) I had trouble getting the beastcoins so I skipped to ore early, you can do that with adv support if you must.

38-40 Myrthil Ingot (4 myrthil ore, fire crystal) Wait for your hometown to get in first, then buy the ore off the airship dock. If it isn't a crafting mule (I kept having to run back on my main) just sit there and synth away. That and farming are the only ways you're not going to lose your butt; save the ingots though.

40-47 Gold Dust (Copper ingot, brass ingot, wind crystal) First reprieve in gilburning. Try to keep costs to a minimum; if you do you'll lose a lot less npcing these. Also if you can't get zinc at a decent price, Raghad in Bastok Markets sells brass rings you can desynth when bastok is in second or better; you can get 1-2 brass ingots from that. Just make sure you got your mh set up for that!

47-51 Cutting Geodes (Any element of geode, wind crystal) – Ahh, another reprieve! Geodes are cheap as bleep and you may get a pile you don't need doing trials. NPC the results unless you know a goldsmither that needs the jewels.

51-54 Candle Holder (1 beeswax, 3 brass ingots, 1 gold ingot, fire crystal) Bleh. I could never sell these.(Strange, it does look cool when you set it in your mh..) It does have a low alch requirement, so don't worry about that. (Wiki doesn't say since no one has confirmed it but I suspect no higher than beeswax.) Give away to friends/npc, whatever! It is a decent alternative if you cannot get any gold ore (but can get gold beastcoins/gold leaves and make them into gold nuggets and get a bit of gold ore) whatsoever tho, even tho it's a huge loss. Again, remember Raghad! Also for pete's sake, farm the chips and make your own beeswax if you can.

54-57 Gold hairpin (1 gold ingot, wind crystal) Desynth them, desynth them, desynth them; you'll save some money but you'll still lose your butt here.

57-60 Myrthil Cuisses (Myrthil Sheet X2, Ram Leather, Fire Crystal) NPC dump for the most part. However it's more economical than the alternatives.

And there you have it. I hope your adventures in goldsmithing are less expensive than mine were. ~_~;


Edited, Aug 17th 2011 12:51pm by maryadavies
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#2 Aug 12 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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Desynthing is actually a good method of skilling up goldsmithing. Obvious options are silver hairpins, silver rings, and mythril earrings since they are sold by NPCs. They cap at the same skill required to make the item.

If you have Alchemy leveled (52+), making Silver Bullets will bridge the 20-24 gap. If that isn't an option, I'd suggest skipping silver sheets and going straight to either crafting/desynthing silver hairpins. A seven level gap isn't all that bad if you make sure to obtain advanced support.

Spark Spear (Gold 33) is a good alternative to silver chain cost depending and materials readily available if San d'Oria not in last place.
Spark Dagger (Gold 38) is a good alternative to mythril beastcoins if supply is limited.
Geodes are so ridiculously cheap that I would start them at Gold 41.
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#3 Aug 12 2011 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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Those are some good ideas xy; I never saw a skillup on a desynth though. I wouldn't count it out tho; from watching my dad in rl; half of goldsmithing is destruction, not creation!(He melted down scrap gold a lot; some of it was busted-beyond-repair rings and things.)

And I like seeing people think; a guide is just that, a guide. It's not the Bible/Koran/holy writ. ^^ If it won't work, check the recipe lists and see if there's something better. That's how I found out about candle holders; they were on wiki and had been put in last year.

Another reason that I did silver chains is something as a bonecrafter, you'd proly appreciate; I wanted a pair of spike earrings for my thf. Spike earrings take silver chain; I got a bonecrafter friend to take some of that chain and make me a pair. But yeah, by all means, if you can skip the chain/sheets, do it. ^^

Edited, Aug 12th 2011 8:47pm by maryadavies
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#4 Aug 12 2011 at 7:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for the suggestion about the candle holder - I've been stuck at 51 for almost two years because I gave up trying to get the fricking gold ores and had no luck getting skillups off gold masks. I'm going to burn through this as fast as I can afford it.
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#5 Aug 13 2011 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Welcome Catwho. That gave me a hard time too until I checked wiki. ^^
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#6 Aug 16 2011 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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Nice job on the guide! Things sure have changed post-Abyssea in the crafting world.

I had Goldsmithing sitting around 56 when I finally decided it was time to cap it at 60. On my server, it was profitable to actually do platinum ingots to finish me out to 60. I just did a combination of ores, nuggets, or beastcoins. Whatever was available. I just looked today though, and the ores are up in price, so may not be worth it now. When I did it, ore price was around 2-3k each. Just thought I'd mention it as another alternative for people. Best of luck, all!
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#7 Aug 17 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks and thanks for the suggestion. I am going to try to nominate the Critical Break guides for the sticky; for the most part in this day and age they do work.

I don't see a reason to write a whole series of these unless things have changed enough since 2009 that you have to take a whole diff path. ^^
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#8 Aug 25 2011 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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I did hydro claws from lvl 51 - 59 and then Myrthil Cuisses till 60 I think.
Of course you had to make the claws yourself and then if no mythril sheets on AH, I had to make them too.. So it was a pretty long process.

It's good they added more stuff to make it easier these days but for me it's too late because I already got goldsmithing to lvl 60 long before Abyssea.
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Not everyone has tho. So this kinda thing is needed. Most of the older guides do work, but you will find yourself farming a lot for mats. Or like here, where you have to find a alternate way to go (that also might be more expensive) to get though a place or two.

It all depends on how easy the mats are to get and what recipes are available.
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Brahk wrote:
On my server, it was profitable to actually do platinum ingots to finish me out to 60. I just did a combination of ores, nuggets, or beastcoins. Whatever was available.
It's also worthwhile to look at platinum sheets, which cap at 64. If you make the ingots and then sheet them, you get two chances to skill up from one set of materials, ftw.

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Brahk wrote:
On my server, it was profitable to actually do platinum ingots to finish me out to 60. I just did a combination of ores, nuggets, or beastcoins. Whatever was available.
It's also worthwhile to look at platinum sheets, which cap at 64. If you make the ingots and then sheet them, you get two chances to skill up from one set of materials, ftw.



I agree. I mentioned this a while back, and still think it's a good idea as long as your server's economy supports it. Multiple synth attempts from one set of materials with everything involved being stackable: {Yes, please.}
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Brahk wrote:
On my server, it was profitable to actually do platinum ingots to finish me out to 60. I just did a combination of ores, nuggets, or beastcoins. Whatever was available.
It's also worthwhile to look at platinum sheets, which cap at 64. If you make the ingots and then sheet them, you get two chances to skill up from one set of materials, ftw.



I agree. I mentioned this a while back, and still think it's a good idea as long as your server's economy supports it. Multiple synth attempts from one set of materials with everything involved being stackable: {Yes, please.}

Ah, in fact you did, and not all that long ago. It seems like forever ago that I did my stretch up to 64, but it was profitable then (years ago, really) as it is now.
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